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Mar-16-21
 | | AylerKupp: <Petrosianic> And if the goal of naming chess variants is for some to reason eliminate the names of players (not necessarily GMs, Patzer names also matter), a similar approach is being tried for openings as the current trend indicates. I still can't refer to the "Ruy Lopez" as the "Spanish Game" or the "Petroff Defense" as the "Russian Defense". If you never saw it then for a tongue-in-chic attempt to make that replacement of opening names with places refer to my post in Fischer vs Smyslov, 1965 (kibitz #25). |
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Mar-16-21
 | | AylerKupp: <Z 0000000001> Does anybody know what the title of the 1910 book <László Polgár> showed Fischer where <Izidor Gross> supposedly already practically invented <Fischer Random>?> Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izido...) lists 6 works by Izidor Gross but some are not chess related and none published in 1910. Only one book, 'Rochade und Notation bei Ibn Esra [Ezra?]"' ('Rochade and Notation by Ibn Esra') was published before 1910 (1900). I didn't know what "Rochade"meant and one meaning in Croatian is "castling." But another meaning of "Rochade" (from the French "Rocade"), used in business, government, and organizations is "reshuffle:, a swap of roles or positions. So it seems to me that this is a good candidate for that book even though its date is earlier than 1910. Unfortunately I wasn't able to find any description of what Gross' shuffle consisted of, so I don't know how close it is to FischerRandom / Chess360. But I suspect that, given your user name, you would be a fan of "my" Chess000101101000. But shouldn't your user name have one less zero so that it would fit into one byte? |
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Mar-16-21 | | Petrosianic: <AylerKupp> <How about if instead of initially placing the pawns on the 2nd and 7th rank they are initially placed on the 3rd and 6th ranks along with the standard piece placement?> ICC has a variant where all White's pawn's start on the 4th rank, and all Black's pawns start on the 5th. |
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Mar-16-21
 | | moronovich: <Aylerkupp>
One funny variaton I once tried with my son
is to replace all the pawns with knights.
Highly recommended ! |
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Mar-17-21 | | Petrosianic: 7 Queens chess is interesting, just because it shows you how difficult it can be for a Queen to attack by herselves, without minor piece support. No Piece chess (Just a King and 8 pawns) is fun too, but it's more of an endgame exercise than a full game. |
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Mar-17-21
 | | AylerKupp: <<Petrosianic> ICC has a variant where all White's pawn's start on the 4th rank, and all Black's pawns start on the 5th.> Well, I suppose that great (and perhaps not so great) minds think alike. I also thought of that variant since it was the logical extension of starting with all the White pawns on the 3rd rank and all the Black pawns on the 5th rank but I thought it would result in an early bloodbath without too much to redeem it. Kind of like a clash between two ancient Greek phalanxes composed of hoplites but the proviso that they alternate blows, and of necessity one side would go first.
 click for larger viewAnd it looks like I was right, at least as far as Stockfish 13 is concerned. At d=35 it considers White as likely winning or at least getting a slight advantage as long as he refrains from non-pawn moves. This was Stockfish's evaluation of its top 10 moves, I won't bother giving the lines: (1) 1.hxg5 [+2,56]
(2) 1.cxd5 [+2.36]
(3) 1.dxe5 [+1.69]
(4) 1.fxe5 [+1.33]
(5) 1.bxc5 [+1.25]
(6) 1.axb5 [+1.11]
(7) 1.gxf5 [+1.05]
(8) 1.dxc5 [+0.92]
(9) 1.exd5 [+0.10]
(10) 1.exf5 [0.00]
Again, it seems that White's advantage of the first move will likely be decisive. I wonder how long it took ICC players who tried that variant to figure that out? Although I should add that it highly depends on which pawn capture White starts with, and that's certainly not obvious. So if computer analysis is not allowed (yeah, try to enforce that one), it might have taken a while. I should also say that Stockfish's top move alternated between 1.hxg5 and 1.cxd5 for many plies, 1.hxg5 just happened to come out on top at d=35. But 1.cxd5 was Stockfish's top choice at d=34 and d=33, with 1.hxg5 being Stockfish's top choice at d=32. Either move likely wins, so as far as deciding which move to play I suppose it depends whether you prefer center pawn clashes or wing pawn clashes. Now, the complementary position with all <White> pawns starting on the 5th rank and all <Black> pawns starting on the 4th rank could be interesting, what with 8 connected passed pawns for each side:
 click for larger viewAnd it was, even though with for the most part the pawns become cannon fodder, but at least Black appears to have a chance if White does not play accurately. At d=31 Stockfish indicates that White has a likely winning advantage (evaluation > [+2.00]) after (surprisingly) 1.d6 (but after all, passed pawns should be pushed), 1.Qxd4, and 1.Bxc4; the chances are likely even after 1.Qxg4 and 1.e6 (evaluation = [0.00]) and 1.Rxh4 (evaluation = [-0.07]); <Black> likely has a slight advantage (evaluation = [-0.65]) after 1.h6 (well, maybe passed pawns should not always be pushed); a likely significant advantage (evaluation between [-1.00] and [-1.99]) after 1.Bxf4 and 1.b6 (ditto); and Black likely winning (evaluation = [-2.39]) after 1.a6 (and ditto). Well, enough of chess variants. I suggest that we go back to praising Fischer's unquestionable greatness. |
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Mar-17-21 | | Petrosianic: <Well, enough of chess variants. I suggest that we go back to praising Fischer's unquestionable greatness.> Well, we were doing that. Fischer Random and the Fischer Clock are both notable contributions to the game. |
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Mar-17-21 | | Z 000000001: <<AK>- Unfortunately I wasn't able to find any description of what Gross' shuffle consisted of, so I don't know how close it is to FischerRandom / Chess360.> Yes, this is exactly what I'd like to ascertain. To tell the truth, I'm a little skeptical about the L. Polgar story without it. <But I suspect that, given your user name, you would be a fan of "my" Chess000101101000. But shouldn't your user name have one less zero so that it would fit into one byte?> I'm actually more of a triplet-octet kind of guy, and it's not clear that a byte is sufficient for my needs. Just in case -- nudge, nudge, wink, wink. As Tom Lehrer said, "Don't be nervous, don't be flustered, don't be scared. Be prepared!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkr... |
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Mar-17-21 | | Z 000000001: <<moronovich> One funny variaton I once tried with my son
is to replace all the pawns with knights.
Highly recommended !>
I actually set up the starting position:
 click for larger viewAnd was surprised to see that it didn't give White but about a pawn advantage, but it's really hard to play. All those knights are dizzying! |
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Mar-18-21
 | | moronovich: <And was surprised to see that it didn't give White but about a pawn advantage, but it's really hard to play. All those knights are dizzying! But you gave it a shot <Z> ! And yes it is
extremely dizzying. It must be one of the toughest starting positions we can face. |
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Mar-19-21
 | | AylerKupp: <<Petrosianic> Well, we were doing that. Fischer Random and the Fischer Clock are both notable contributions to the game.> Yes they are, but I was referring to the other variants that we've been discussing. I doubt that any of them will ever be considered "notable contributions to the game". But I could be wrong. :-) |
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Mar-19-21
 | | AylerKupp: <Z 000000001> I'm actually more of a triplet-octet kind of guy> Oh, how "quickly" one forgets. In my first job after graduating from college (1970) I worked in a company programming Data General Nova minicomputers. They used octal notation. But it was byte-oriented so you typically dealt with bytes (for data) or 16-bit words (for instructions). So I typically dealt with either 8 bits (2 octets) or words (4 octets) but never with 3 octets. Oh well, nobody's perfect. So you should consider changing your user name to O 001 or O 0001. Or, if you want to get with the times, to H 01 or H 0001. :-) Certainly much more compact. But then my oft-repeated joke would then have to change to either "The world is divided into 10 kinds of people, those that understand octal and those who don't" or The world is divided into 10 kinds of people, those that understand hex and those who don't". Which somehow I don't think has the same kind of impact. |
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Mar-19-21 | | sudoplatov: I just thought of a couple of variants of the White makes 1 move, Black makes 2, White 3,.... The tennis variant: White makes 1 move, Blacke makes 2, White 2, Black 2.... The Thue-Morse variant (which has a chess connection with Euwe and the German Draw Rule). White makes 1 move, Black 2, White 2, Black 1, then follow the Thue Morse variant.
1 2 2 1 2 1 1 2
2 1 1 2 1 2 2 1
The numbers are the parities (+1) of the digit counts of each natural number written in binary. Note that at any time, neither side has a big string of moves; each is ahead by 1 move half the time. |
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Mar-19-21
 | | AylerKupp: <All> There seems to be a significant amount of interest in discussing chess variants but I don't think that discussion is appropriate for this page. I didn't know but there is already a page dedicated to chess variants (Chess variants (000)) and I suggest that any discussions of this type be continued there. Who knows, maybe reading that page will have an effect on all of us similar to the effect it had on Kellmano> (Chess variants (000) (kibitz #48)). |
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Mar-19-21 | | Z truth 000000001: OK, let's get some Bobby straight from the man himself - this bit on his 1972 Carson appearance is interesting: https://youtu.be/QxvnEwvgfeI?t=202
"How far ahead?"
< " sometimes ... 20 moves ... sometimes ... 2 or 3 moves ... "> * * * * *
Aside to <AK> - there always has to be a Z involved... somewhere down the line. |
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Mar-19-21 | | Z truth 000000001: (FTR- Fischer is paraphrased above... not an exact quote) |
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Mar-19-21
 | | harrylime: <<Petrosianic: Well, of the two things you name, the clock has been the more influential of the two. Pretty much every tournament these days uses increments.>> You HATE Bobby.
Yet you post on here loike. lol lol lol lol
Strange guy. |
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Mar-19-21
 | | harrylime: Bobby's rating in 1972 was 2785
I watched So v Giri the other day and it was embarrassing .. Both have higher ratings than Bobby.. lol |
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Mar-21-21
 | | Stonehenge: Paid $ 400 a day
Fischer's secretary paid for their stay with the money earned in the chess match at Sveti Stefan, says Ferenc Agošton: - Fischer liked that "red food" with tomatoes and peppers and he would stain the sheet every time. We had a waiter Gezu who was furious when he saw that and cursed. And we tell him, "Ignore that, man. Every day a hundred sheets he can pay for you. Shut up! ” Due to hyperinflation, and since we charged in dinars, they settled their obligations every day. One day, when we recalculate, it cost about $ 400. In half a year, that was more than $ 50,000. I jokingly say that Fischer supported our entire staff of 250 people, if we know that in 1993 the salaries were between five and ten German marks. (and much more)
http://www.politika.rs/sr/clanak/37... |
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Mar-26-21
 | | 0ZeR0: I realize I'm relatively late on this but for anyone interested I just got done reading Bobby Fischer and His World by IM John Donaldson and highly recommend it. I thought I knew just about everything there was to know about Bobby but this one offered stories and games I hadn't seen before which is quite the feat. I also greatly enjoyed learning more about other players and people in Bobby's life. Lastly, the photographs are indispensable, not just of Bobby himself, but others of importance as well. |
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Mar-26-21
 | | Joshka: <OZeRo> I concur!! I recommend the great book as well!! Any Fischer geek will enjoy this work!! |
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Mar-26-21
 | | HeMateMe: The rent was $400/day for the '92 rematch? I thought that the guy running the match had arranged lodging, found an empty house for Bob to live in. That's what he should have asked for, in the match terms. BF was so popular in Yugo I'm sure someone in Croatia with money would have found a house he could have for two months or so. |
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Apr-01-21
 | | MissScarlett: The front and inside covers of the March 1961 <Chess Life> capture Fischer reading Tal's palm: http://uscf1-nyc1.aodhosting.com/CL... I'd like to know if he told the fortune of
Raymond Allen Weinstein |
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Apr-01-21
 | | Ron: <MissScarlett: The front and inside covers of the March 1961 <Chess Life> capture Fischer reading Tal's palm: http://uscf1-nyc1.aodhosting.com/CL...
I'd like to know if he told the fortune of
Raymond Allen Weinstein>
That photo of Bobby Fischer has significance.
It shows Fischer as a normal person with a sense of humor, in 1961. |
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Apr-02-21
 | | Joshka: <Ron> Basically everything we read about him, from folks who do not have a hidden agenda, all say the same thing, he's a really normal person, with a sense of humor.....it's just the evil media who always wanted to bring Bobby down.....folks want to know why Bobby hated the media so much? Look at how they treated the greatest President in my lifetime over the past 5 years!! Look at what you're stuck with now! Also those clips of Bobby with Johnny Carson/Dick Cavett/Bob Hope/ all show the sense of humor Bobby had. |
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