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Apr-02-21
 | | AylerKupp: <Joshka> Yes, it's the Evil Media that is the cause of all problems. After all, if the Evil Media did not report the misdeeds of people then those misdeeds never would have happened, right? And nothing that you disagree with is actually true, it's just the result of others' Hidden Agendas, right? Because the Truth is not always the Truth, right? Did it ever occur to you that it's the people praising Fischer as a person and the greatest president in your lifetime that are the ones that have a no-so-Hidden Agenda? It must be wonderful to live in a fantasy world when all your misdeeds are the responsibility and the fault of others and not your own because it's just the Evil Media and those with Hidden Agendas that say so. |
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Apr-02-21
 | | Ron: Another instance of Bobby Fischer showing a sense of humor was his appearance with comedian Bob Hope, soon after Fischer won the World Championship. The Bob Hope/Bobby Fischer video was previously posted here at chessgames.com by others. This is it:
https://www.businessinsider.com/flo... There is a link between humor and intelligence. So it is somewhat surprising to me that there are not more humorous chess players than we actually have. Among grandmasters, I can only think of Ivanchuk. Another funny chess player is Marvin Dandridge
Marvin Dandridge I used to pay chess with him and others in coffeehouses in the 1990s. |
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Apr-02-21
 | | AylerKupp: <Joshka> Here's another little known example of Evil Media and Hidden Agenda collaborations. Fischer did not make any demands that the format for his 1975 defense of the WCC title be changed! He was perfectly happy with the 24-game, draws counting format. After all, he won the WCC title with that format in 1972, so why would he want to change it? Instead, it was the Evil Soviets, having a Hidden Agenda and knowing that their challenger (whoever he might have been, it had not been determined at the time) would not have been able to defeat Fischer in 1975, started the rumor that Fischer had made over 100 non-negotiable demands and the Soviet-sympathetic Evil Media gave it great publicity. And poor Fischer, all by himself, could not counter the ever more widely circulated rumor, particularly since the Evil Media would not make his denials public. Finally FIDE, duped by both the Evil Soviet's Hidden Agenda and the Evil Media, believed that Fischer had made all those demands but were not willing to accept his rumored 9 – 9 tie clause demand, stripped Fisher of his WCC title and awarded it to his challenger, Karpov. We must remain ever vigilant about the Evil Media and its Hidden Agendas! Who knows, the next thing that they might claim is that the greatest president in your lifetime did not win the 2020 presidential election. Oh wait, they've done that already! |
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Apr-02-21
 | | beatgiant: <Joshka>
We don't need to rely on news outlets, because it's very easy to find audios of Fischer's radio interviews on the internet. Have you listened to those? And if so, you still call that normal?<Joshka>,<AylerKupp>
A similar comment applies to Presidents, because there are a lot of easily available primary sources. But may I humbly suggest you move that discussion to the Rogoff page where it belongs? |
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Apr-02-21 | | RookFile: You guys know that Fischer said he wanted changes and made them public in 1973, right? |
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Apr-02-21
 | | MissScarlett: <What does the Ginzburg interview show, in your opinion?> Dunno. Beware Jewish interviewers? The politician Tony Benn always took the precaution of tape-recording his interviews. |
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Apr-02-21
 | | MissScarlett: <RookFile: You guys know that Fischer said he wanted changes and made them public in 1973, right?> What relevance does this have? Are you suggesting unreasonable demands are less so if you make them over a longer period? I should probably refresh my memory, but I think Fischer wanted to return to the world championship conditions of Steinitz. |
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Apr-02-21
 | | Joshka: <beatgiant> One has to understand the context in which Bobby did those interviews. Bobby was being threatened with a long prison sentence, much of his historical private belongings had been confiscated, he was a man without a country in reality, very , very upset to say the least. All cause he played a chess match?? give me a break!! When I get upset I go off as well, ..in fact most folks I know are like this! So yes, his anger was very normal in relative terms. If you do not like my comments on the leadership of this country, too bad. Don't know where you live, but it's still a FREE country last time I checked, but then again, things are changing VERY fast in the United States of America. Take a chill pill;-) |
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Apr-02-21 | | Z4all: Quinteros has a 2020 article on his experiences with Fischer: http://www.spraggettonchess.com/qui... One notable (besides Fischer rating Sandro over Elvis) is Quinteros' assertion that he helped Fischer design FischerRandom over the course of a couple visits in Budapest. |
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Apr-02-21 | | Petrosianic: Helped how? Helped playtest it? |
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Apr-02-21
 | | harrylime: Bobby was Steve McQueen in Eastern Europe when he was 16 .. lol lol lol .. The US Chess Federation were backing Ole Samuel Reshevski right until 1972 .. |
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Apr-02-21
 | | harrylime: <<MissScarlett: <RookFile: You guys know that Fischer said he wanted changes and made them public in 1973, right?>
What relevance does this have? Are you suggesting unreasonable demands are less so if you make them over a longer period? I should probably refresh my memory, but I think Fischer wanted to return to the world championship conditions of Steinitz.> >Bobby adored Steinitz |
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Apr-03-21
 | | harrylime: There is more than one Bobby Fischer.
My take ..
I fell in love and am in awe of the Bobby from 1943 until 1972... After that .. it get's increasingly murky lol lol But. BUT ! That Bobby I fell in love with ... is still the greatest chess player chess as a sport has ever produced. |
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Apr-03-21
 | | MissScarlett: <I fell in love and am in awe of the Bobby from 1943 until 1972... After that .. it get's increasingly murky lol lol> Et tu, Brute? |
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Apr-03-21 | | Z truth 000000001: <Petrosianac> did you read the linked article? It's in Spanish, so maybe not. Let me post an (en) excerpt:
<So we began to work with the creation of it: the
FischerRandom, which will undoubtedly be very popular in the coming
years. I came back again and again to help him with the regulation of
his passionate game. It favored our work that the photocopying houses
in Budapest were open all night.
While the rules for the FischerRandom were in place, Bobby was working
on a revolutionary clock for chess. We were only missing the place
where the Fischerrandom World Launch would take place. So, in Buenos
Aires I'm going to see my friend Eduardo Duhalde ...> http://www.spraggettonchess.com/wp-... |
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Apr-03-21 | | Petrosianic: <Z truth 000000001: Petrosianac did you read the linked article? It's in Spanish, so maybe not. Let me post an (en) excerpt:>
No, I didn't read it in Spanish, and your excerpt doesn't answer my question, in any case. The excerpt just repeats the claim that he "helped" (somehow) without explaining exactly what he did. I'm "helping" someone with a book right now, but don't deserve any credit for the book itself. |
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Apr-04-21
 | | keypusher: <zanzibar> Thanks for posting that. Two things that struck me. Google translate quotes below: <And the Banco Jugoscandic gave deposits a 14% monthly interest, so people put their
money and paid within 30 days. Thus it was that word of mouth summoned many citizens who
they innocently made their deposits. The worst thing was that Bobby still had not collected his
award and I had to give him the bad news that the owner of the bank Vasiljevic was preparing a
great scam, because it was impossible for a bank to give 14% per month without government support. Bobby he didn't believe it. > Seriously, Bobby? I'm surprised no one tried to sell you the Brooklyn Bridge. (Quinteros goes on to relate that he persuaded Bobby to get his money out the very day the bank director absconded with everyone else's money.) <He returned to New York because Mayor Lindsay was going to present him at a Public Ceremony a
gold medal for obtaining the title. On the plane he tells me: "You are going to visit the White House and my president". When we got to New York, the Ceremony with Major Lindsay was very
good. But he still had to go to the White House, where Nixon would surely receive him. We passed weeks at the home of his attorney, Paul Marshall, in New Jersey. And the call from the White House never arrived. Nixon, instead of inviting Bobby, gave full honors to the Romanian gymnast Nadia Comaneci. It was Bobby's first big disappointment with his government. Then more disappointments would come in his life.> Nadia Comaneci became famous in the Montreal Olympics in 1976. At the time Fischer won the title she would have been ten or eleven years old. I'd be pretty surprised if Nixon ever invited her to the White House. |
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Apr-04-21
 | | harrylime: <<MissScarlett: <I fell in love and am in awe of the Bobby from 1943 until 1972...
After that .. it get's increasingly murky lol lol> Et tu, Brute?> >
This page should be so much better ..
BOBBY HATERS WIN HUH ?? |
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Apr-04-21
 | | Joshka: <Z4all> Is there an English translation? |
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Apr-04-21 | | Z4all: <Joshka> not that I know of. There's copyright issues, so I can only quote a "fair-use" portion at a time. I don't know how <kp> did his quotes, but I cut-and-pasted text into Google translate. However, there's an easier way, using this link: https://www.infobae.com/opinion/202... Then, in my Chrome browser, right-click and select the <Translate to English>. Should work for you too, one way or another. |
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Apr-15-21
 | | chancho: Bruce Pandolfini in 1964: <When I was a teenager, I worked one summer at Walter Goldwater's University Place Bookshop in Greenwich Village. Walter was then president of the Marshall Chess Club and an expert book dealer in a number of subjects. One day Bobby Fischer came in needing some money.
Fischer wound up selling a bunch of his books to Walter for a song. I think there were about fifty books, and I don't recall what Walter did with the lot. But Walter did let me buy a few of them, though he didn't sell them cheaply.
I believe it cost me an entire week's salary.
The books I got I wanted for a few reasons. For one, with all the magical power they conveyed, those books had been owned and read by Fischer, the chess god. But, also, they were wonderful books no matter who previously possessed them. There were polish endgame books by [Stanislaw] Gawlikowski, a magnificent book on tactics by Lisitsin, and several other foreign language delights. One of them was a book by Lipnitsky in Russian. It was threadbare, but it looked intriguing. Nevertheless, I didn't realize how fully intriguing it was until a few weeks later. Having put it aside for a bit, I thought I'd drag it to the Marshall and look over it more intently. Or maybe I was just trying to show it off and tell people from whom I had gotten it. When Raymond Weinstein saw me looking at it, he immediately identified it as a Fischer copy. He claimed (and since others have backed this fact up) that Fischer had carried the book around with him on his travels for a full year. Furthermore, as Weinstein asserted, that was the very book that Fischer himself had said helped him to become a grandmaster. > Bobby Fischer and His World
page 366. |
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Apr-15-21
 | | perfidious: Do not recall the title of the work by Lipnitsky which Pandolfini refers to above; might be <Questions of Modern Chess Theory>. Believe it was reprinted. |
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Apr-18-21
 | | Dionysius1: Copied en bloc from Spassky vs Fischer, 1972 <Viking707>: Fischer was a brilliant chess player with serious, and incurable mental problems. Spassky was well aware of Fischer's daunting talent, and must have been intimidated and/or shocked by Bobby's pre-match antics. In a quiet, sober setting, I still think Fischer would have won the championship, but Spassky would have performed at a higher level than he did. <Dionysius1>: Hi <Viking707> I don't know about them being incurable. I've never even heard of him submitting himself to an examination and diagnosis. Have you? <Viking707>: Dionysius: Fischer had a form of schizophrenia that got worse as he aged, and was incurable then. Perhaps with some of today's medications, he might have been able to mitigate its effects. But getting Bobby to take medications might have been as challenging as beating him at chess. <Dionysius1>: Cheers <Viking707> I didn't know that. I never heard he'd been diagnosed, just persistent speculation as to what might have been wrong with him. It'd be great to know your sources, if you wouldn't mind. <Caissanist>: I find it strange that people still think Bobby was nuts. The main evidence for that was his belief in wacko conspiracy theories and, if we have learned anything in the last few years, it is that someone can believe in such things and otherwise be completely sane. In a sense, he was ahead of his time. <beatgiant>: <Caissanist>
That isn't the main evidence. The main evidence is the erratic and anti-social personal behavior, which sometimes became mildly violent (e.g. kicking a school principal). Anyway, this topic is not about this specific game, so I suggest discussing it on the Robert James Fischer page <perfidious>: The following was originally posted by member <ChemMac>, who was quite well acquainted with Fischer:
< <Monoceros> I had, as I posted some time ago, a long conversation with Fischer when he came unexpectedly into the Manhattan Chess Club. This was some months after winning the World Championship. In an hour and a half we talked about a lot, but what is relevant here is that he was (1) completely rational and courteous (2) quite clear about why he had, for the time being anyway, no desire to play. He said that he had achieved everything he had worked for during most of his life...and now, what? I think he was just :"chessed out".> <Viking707>: After playing Fischer, Mikhail Tal described him as "Cuckoo!" when Bobby was 15. Similar opinions of Fischer's mental abnormalities were mentioned by American chess masters, Robert Byrne, and Pal Benko. In addition, Reuben Fine, another American chess master and a psychiatrist, was asked by Bobby's mother to try and help her son, but after a few visits, Bobby revolted and treated Fine with anger and contempt thereafter. Valery Krylov, a specialist who worked with Anatoly Karpov, and saw the correspondence between him and Bobby, believed Fischer suffered from schizophrenia, and Asperger's Disorder. There are also numerous stories from people who traveled with him about his bizarre and sometime dangerous behavior (he bit someone traveling in a car with him so hard, the scars were permanent). Bobby's mother, and believed to be father, Paul Nemenyi, also had mental issues, and it is possible Bobby's problems were congenital. Whatever the case, the preponderance of the evidence of Fischer's behavior reported by so many people who knew him, leads to the conclusion that he was seriously paranoid, and probably Asperger <Dionysius1>: <beatgiant>'s idea seems a good one. I'll copy the last few comments to the Robert James Fischer page and we can take it from there. Knowing my luck there won't be any more comments on this, but just so yous know :-) Dion |
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Apr-18-21 | | Viking707: On a personal note: I saw Fischer once in the chess studio of Nicolas Rossolimo in 1964 or 1965. It was a cold, winter night, and I recognized Bobby as soon as he entered. He looked like a frightened bird. His eyes darted nervously all over the studio, until they became fixed on Rossolimo, who he clearly considered a friend. Rossolimo put his arm around Bobby, and talked softly to him. It calmed him down. Shortly thereafter Bobby bought several chess sets, and left the studio. I asked Rossolimo what that had been about. He shrugged and said Bobby needed more chess sets for his analysis of games, and that he lived in an a two room apartment nearby, which only had a mattress, and the rest of the floors were covered with chess sets. |
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Apr-18-21
 | | chancho: https://psmag.com/social-justice/a-... |
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