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Ding Liren
Ding Liren 
Photo by Emir Gamis 

Number of games in database: 1,658
Years covered: 2001 to 2025
Last FIDE rating: 2734 (2776 rapid, 2785 blitz)
Highest rating achieved in database: 2816
Overall record: +274 -95 =488 (60.4%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games in the database. 801 exhibition games, blitz/rapid, odds games, etc. are excluded from this statistic.

MOST PLAYED OPENINGS
With the White pieces:
 Queen's Gambit Declined (105) 
    D37 D38 D35 D39 D31
 King's Indian (80) 
    E60 E94 E62 E90 E97
 Slav (69) 
    D17 D12 D15 D16 D11
 English, 1 c4 e5 (58) 
    A20 A29 A28 A22 A21
 Grunfeld (53) 
    D70 D85 D78 D76 D97
 Catalan (51) 
    E06 E01 E04 E05 E02
With the Black pieces:
 Ruy Lopez (137) 
    C78 C84 C65 C77 C67
 King's Indian (78) 
    E63 E60 E94 E99 E81
 Queen's Pawn Game (57) 
    D02 E10 A45 E00 D04
 Sicilian (56) 
    B42 B90 B51 B22 B50
 Ruy Lopez, Closed (55) 
    C84 C89 C92 C91 C95
 Caro-Kann (46) 
    B12 B17 B18 B10 B13
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NOTABLE GAMES: [what is this?]
   J Bai vs Ding Liren, 2017 0-1
   Ding Liren vs Aronian, 2013 1-0
   Kamsky vs Ding Liren, 2011 0-1
   Ding Liren vs H Ni, 2009 1-0
   Firouzja vs Ding Liren, 2022 1/2-1/2
   Ding Liren vs S Lu, 2012 1-0
   Ding Liren vs E Inarkiev, 2015 1-0
   Y Hou vs Ding Liren, 2009 0-1
   H Wang vs Ding Liren, 2010 0-1
   Carlsen vs Ding Liren, 2019 0-1

NOTABLE TOURNAMENTS: [what is this?]
   Chinese Championship (2009)
   Chinese Championship (2011)
   Chessable Masters (2022)
   World Cup (2019)
   Chinese League (2011)
   World Junior Championship (2012)
   Magnus Carlsen Invitational (2020)
   Chessable Masters (2020)
   Charity Cup (2022)
   Chinese Chess League (2016)
   Tata Steel Masters (2015)
   Chinese Chess League (2017)
   Legends of Chess (2020)
   Chinese Team Championship (2015)
   Istanbul Olympiad (2012)

GAME COLLECTIONS: [what is this?]
   2020 The Corona Beer & Black Bears Matter Mo Ode by fredthebear
   World Championship (2023): Nepo - Ding by plerranov
   World Championship (2023): Nepo - Ding by 0ZeR0
   FIDE World Cup 2019 by jcgandjc
   Ding Liren 1. d4 by OnlyYou

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   Ding Liren vs J E Kao (May-10-25) 1/2-1/2, exhibition
   Ding Liren vs D Gukesh (Dec-12-24) 0-1
   D Gukesh vs Ding Liren (Dec-11-24) 1/2-1/2
   Ding Liren vs D Gukesh (Dec-09-24) 1-0
   D Gukesh vs Ding Liren (Dec-08-24) 1-0

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DING LIREN
(born Oct-24-1992, 32 years old) China
PRONUNCIATION:
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Grandmaster (2009), three-time Chinese Champion (2009, 2011 and 2012), World Champion (2023). He will defend his title against Dommaraju Gukesh beginning in a few days (November 25-December 13, 2024).

Championships

<Youth and Junior> Ding Liren was runner up on tiebreak to Nan Zhao at the 2004 World U12 Championship in Heraklio. He placed =3rd at the World Junior Championship (2012), half a point behind Richard Rapport and the ultimate winner, Alexander Ipatov.

<National> Ding Liren (丁立人) first competed in the Chinese Championship when he turned 13 in 2005, scoring 3.5/7. He competed again in the 2008 event before winning the Chinese Championship (2009), becoming the youngest player ever to win the Chinese national title, This result also gained Ding the final GM norm he needed to be awarded the GM title. In 2011, he won the national championship a second time, when he took out the Chinese Championship (2011) with a round to spare, and two points clear of the field. Ding completed a hat trick of championship wins in China when he won the Chinese Chess Championship (2012) outright with 8/11, a full point clear of outright second placed Yangyi Yu. He narrowly missed a fourth championship win in the Chinese Championship (2014) when he placed =1st alongside Yangyi Yu, but came second on tiebreak. A year later, Ding finished clear second, behind fellow wunderkind Wei Yi at the Chinese Championship (2015).

<Continental> Ding gained his first GM norm, a double norm, at the 8th Asian Continental Chess Championship (2009). Soon after winning the 2012 Chinese Championship, he placed equal fourth (sixth on tiebreak) at the Asian Continental Chess Championship (2012).

<World> In 2007, Ding scored 6.5/9 at Chinese Zonal 3.5, failing to qualify for the World Cup (2007) by the narrowest tiebreak. He subsequently qualified for the World Cup (2011) as nominee of the FIDE President, but lost the first round rapid game tiebreaker to Filipino prodigy, GM Wesley So, thereby exiting the competition. He qualified by rating for the World Cup (2015) in the first round he played and defeated Canadian Tomas Krnan in the opening round to advance to the second round where he defeated Ernesto Inarkiev. In the third round he overcame Gadir Guseinov to win through to the Round of Sixteen where he lost to compatriot wunderkind Wei Yi to exit the event.

Ding finished second to Ian Nepomniachtchi in the World Championship Candidates (2022). After world champion Magnus Carlsen announced that he would not defend his title, Ding and Nepomniachtchi met for the title in the Nepomniachtchi - Ding World Championship Match (2023). Ding won in tiebreaks to become world champion.

Standard Tournaments

In August-September 2010, he was =3rd at the Florencio Campomanes Memorial Tournament in the Philippines, half a point behind the joint winners Le Quang Liem and Jun Zhao. In October 2011, he placed =4th with 6.5/9, a half point behind the three joint leaders, Jianchao Zhou, Truong Son Nguyen and at the 1st Qinhuangdao Open Chess Tournament. There followed =3rd behind Hua Ni and Xiangzhi Bu in the 3rd Hainan Danzhou Super Grand Master Chess Tournament held in June 2012 and =2nd (3rd on tiebreak), half a point behind the winner Maxime Vachier-Lagrave, at the SPICE Cup (2012).

In February 2013, Ding placed =4th with 7.5/10, half a point behind the three co-leaders at the Reykjavik Open (2013). In April 2013, he was invited to the category 20 Alekhine Memorial (2013) his 3.5/9 was near the bottom of the field, but against that it was close to a par for rating performance, and includes a brilliancy against the eventual winner of the event, Levon Aronian. (1) In May 2013, Ding Liren won the Hainan Danzhou GM (2013), a category 15 event, outright with 7/9. In July-August 2013, he came =2nd (3rd on tiebreak) at the category 19 Biel (2013) tournament. He placed =3rd at the Cappelle-la-Grande Open (2014), equal first at the Hainan Danzhou GM (2014) and 5th at the Petrosian Memorial (2014).

Ding Liren's best result to date came at the Tata Steel Masters (2015) in January 2015, when he scored 8.5/13 to place =2nd alongside Anish Giri, Wesley So and Maxime Vachier-Lagrave, half a point behind the winner Magnus Carlsen. This result pushed him into the world's top 20 and became the second best player in Asia, second only to Anand. A few months later in July 2015, he played in the category 17 Hainan Danzhou GM (2015), placing outright 3rd with 5.5/9 (+3 -1 =5), an absolutely rating-neutral result, behind the winner Yue Wang and runner-up Hua Ni. He was equal third at the quadrangular round robin event, Bilbao Masters (2015), staged in October 2015, drawing all his games with a performance rating slightly below actual rating. He reprised his result at Wijk aan Zee when he again placed equal second at the Tata Steel Masters (2016) behind Carlsen and alongside Fabiano Caruana. During this event, he momentarily overtook Anand as the top Asian player in the live ratings.

Team Events

<Olympiads> Ding played board 3 for China at the Istanbul Olympiad (2012) held in Istanbul in September 2012, narrowly missing both team and individual medals when he scored 7.5/10 with a TPR of 2764. He played board 2 for China at the Tromso Olympiad (2014), winning individual bronze and team gold.

<World Team Championships> Ding played for China at the World Team Championship (2011) as a reserve, helping his team to win silver. Playing board 2 for China in the World Team Championship (2013), he won team silver and individual bronze and won the team gold and individual silver (on board 2) at the World Team Championship (2015).

<Regional Team Championships> Winning the the 2012 Asian Team Championship Chinese Team Selection Tournament qualified Ding to play in the 17th Asian Team Championships held in Zaozhuang, China in May 2012. There he won team gold and individual silver playing board 4 for China. At the 18th Asian Team Championships held in 2014, he won team and individual gold (for board 1).

<Summit Friendlies> He played on the Chinese team that lost to Russia in the Russia - China (2009) summit event. A few years later Ding was a member of the Chinese team at the Russia - China (2012) summit, which was won by China in the classical section, although Russia won the overall event. In April 2015 he helped China defeat India in their summit match in Hyderabad. Ding was also a member of the Chinese team in the novel China - Russia Challenge (2015) event, which involves one member of each team playing one game at a time, with the winner of the game remaining to play opponents from the next team until he loses, at which time the new winner "defends the stage" against the next opponent(s) from the other team. In his match up against Sergey Karjakin, Ding drew the classical game and traded wins in the two blitz tiebreakers before bowing out in the Armageddon blitz game that Karjakin drew as Black. The second half of the event was completed at the end of 2015, and won by Russia.

<National Leagues> Ding Liren's first FIDE rated game was at the 2004 Chinese Team Championship, when he scored 1/4. He has played for the Zhejiang team in the Chinese League since at least 2008 inclusive. During this time, his team took the bronze in 2010 and he has played 134 games with a 67.9% result ( +65 =72 -17) overall. He won team bronze in 2010.

Ding Liren played for the T.S. Alyans team in the Turkish Superleague in 2014, his team placing 5th.

Rapid and Blitz

On 13 May 2012, Ding Liren played in the 11th Asian Blitz Championship and placed equal second with 7/9, half a point behind Wesley So. He participated in the IHMS Mind Games staged in Huai'an in China in 2016. The Mind Games consisted of men and women's groups each contesting rapid, blitz and Basque portions of the event. He won the Basque portion (two rapid games played at the same time against the opponent) of the event after scoring 4/7 in the IMSA Elite Mind Games (Rapid) (2016), a point from the lead, and 17.5/30 in the IMSA Elite Mind Games (Rapid) (2016), two points from the lead.

Match

Ding Liren won the Ding Liren - Gelfand (2015) match held in July 2015 by 3-1 (+2 =2). He was eliminated in the first round of the China Chess Kings (2015) by Shanglei Lu.

Ratings and Rankings

Ding Liren's initial rating was 2230 in January 2004. He rapidly rose in the ratings, crossing 2600 in November 2010 and 2700 in October 2012. He did not fall under these benchmarks at any time since. He was one of the world's top juniors ranking in the top 20 from January 2011 exiting in January 2013 when he was too old to be qualified as a Junior. His highest ranking was world's #3 Junior throughout the 2012 calendar year. He also entered the world top 100 in May 2011 and has remained in that elite group on continuous basis since then.

His highest rating and ranking to date occurred in June 2018 when his rating climbed to 2798, and his world ranking to #4.

References

Everipedia article: https://everipedia.org/wiki/Ding_Li... Wikipedia article: Ding Liren ; Live ratings: http://www.2700chess.com/;

(1) Ding Liren vs Aronian, 2013

Last updated: 2024-11-22 08:54:47

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Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. Ding Liren vs W Wu  0-1552001Chinese Team ChampionshipC67 Ruy Lopez
2. C Wang vs Ding Liren 1-0432001Chinese Team ChampionshipE86 King's Indian, Samisch, Orthodox, 7.Nge2 c6
3. Ding Liren vs Zhang Jianhua 1-0592001Chinese Team ChampionshipC41 Philidor Defense
4. Z Tang vs Ding Liren 1-0352001Chinese Team ChampionshipD03 Torre Attack (Tartakower Variation)
5. Ding Liren vs Y Xu  ½-½612001Chinese Team ChampionshipB12 Caro-Kann Defense
6. Y Wen vs Ding Liren  1-0582001Chinese Team ChampionshipC00 French Defense
7. R Liu vs Ding Liren  ½-½742001Chinese Team ChampionshipC01 French, Exchange
8. Ding Liren vs Huang Yicheng 1-0352001Chinese Team ChampionshipC42 Petrov Defense
9. Ding Liren vs T Qiu 1-01082001Chinese Team ChampionshipB29 Sicilian, Nimzovich-Rubinstein
10. L Bregadze vs Ding Liren  0-1602002Wch U10E81 King's Indian, Samisch
11. Ding Liren vs So 1-0232004Wch U12A04 Reti Opening
12. Ding Liren vs S Sjugirov  1-0702004Wch U12A05 Reti Opening
13. H Ni vs Ding Liren  ½-½292008TCh-CHN AC10 French
14. Motylev vs Ding Liren  1-0462008TCh-CHN Torch Real Estate CupC10 French
15. J Zhou vs Ding Liren  ½-½6620098th Asian Continental Chess ChampionshipE87 King's Indian, Samisch, Orthodox
16. Ding Liren vs Negi  ½-½3020098th Asian Continental Chess ChampionshipD85 Grunfeld
17. Ding Liren vs E Ghaem Maghami  ½-½7320098th Asian Continental Chess ChampionshipE15 Queen's Indian
18. N Nguyen vs Ding Liren  ½-½6520098th Asian Continental Chess ChampionshipC07 French, Tarrasch
19. Ding Liren vs H Abdullah 1-03420098th Asian Continental Chess ChampionshipE17 Queen's Indian
20. D Khamrakulov vs Ding Liren  0-16120098th Asian Continental Chess ChampionshipC00 French Defense
21. Ding Liren vs E Hossain 1-04320098th Asian Continental Chess ChampionshipD17 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav
22. Le Quang Liem vs Ding Liren  ½-½2020098th Asian Continental Chess ChampionshipA48 King's Indian
23. Sasikiran vs Ding Liren  1-04320098th Asian Continental Chess ChampionshipA48 King's Indian
24. Ding Liren vs A Filippov  ½-½6620098th Asian Continental Chess ChampionshipE11 Bogo-Indian Defense
25. Ding Liren vs A Gupta 0-15020098th Asian Continental Chess ChampionshipD02 Queen's Pawn Game
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May-01-23
Premium Chessgames Member
  Sally Simpson: Hi Bully

< Ding will be one of the greatest world champions if he breaks the 6-match record first set by Lasker after 1910.>

That is a big ask. Maybe too big.

I hope the Ding Dynasty lasts quite a few years but there is unexpected pressure headed his way, something he won't be used too nor have past experience to handle.

He is no longer just another good player in the pack. He is the World Champion. Focus will be on him for every move in every game. If he has a bad tournament and comes in 6th, 18 months ago that would not even rate a mention. Do that now and it will be headlines.

Every player wants a victory v the current world champion on their c.v. Ding is good but from now on for the next two years every game will be a test and with every failure questions asked.

Carlsen rode it out well. After winning the title he won five of his next 7 tournaments and came 2nd in the other two. That is the kind of only natural comparison Ding will have to endure.

I do not think he will emulate Carlsen's dominance for 10 years. He is 7 years older than when Carlsen won his title is just one reason. Though I'd love to be wrong....I'd enjoy being wrong...I want to be wrong.

The trouble is I think I'm right and can see a new world champion every two years as the weight of the title crushes the holders one by one.

May-02-23
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  Sergio X Garcia: Nepomniachtchi should won the match but he collapsed. Ding has good fortune and best endings.
May-02-23
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  Joshka: So what do you folks say about Carlsen? Carlsen has clearly dominated over DingLing, and in fact he's being crowned Champ without having to beat Carlsen in a Championship match!!! Naw, he's no Champ for me at all.....LingDing needs to offer Carlsen a Match for all the marbles, THEN we'll see who is best!! Now that would be a match for everyone to get excited about!!
May-02-23
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  Sally Simpson: Hi Joska,

It was not Ding's fault Carlsen was a no show. He is a deserved champion and shall enter the records as such.

The added pressure of having Carlsen around will not help. Hopefully he can handle it and just shrug it off. The trouble is will he be allowed to. He will keep getting reminded about it everywhere he goes.

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Hmmmm.... Joska's post is going to a be frequent post from all quarters. I suspect more will be soon appearing, myself and other fair minded people will need answers, especially when they start quoting Carlsen's hallowed rating...that is it...Numbers!

Ding never faced Carlsen in a match but both have beaten Nepo in a match. Ding's three win v Nepo totaled 129 moves. Carlsen needed 136 moves to win just one game!

Stick to that fact boys, don't budge from it. Shove it right back in the face of the naysayers. A mathematical fact. They can with argue you, me and each other but they cannot argue with mathematics.

May-02-23
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  MissScarlett: Is Joshka now claiming that Carlsen was/is a legitimate world champion? But he only beat Anand who beat Kramnik who beat Kasparov who beat Karpov who ....didn't beat Fischer.
May-02-23
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  Sally Simpson: A very good point Miss Sc. I would have of thought of it myself in time.

The slight flaw being, and you and me know we must take great care in posting else we will give one of the many nit-pickers that infest this site a hard-on...

...Bobby passed away in 2008 and the title was up for grabs again (see Alekhine 1946) So much as it pains me to pour cold water on such a wonderful idea I'm afraid we have to close that door as it will let in too many nit-pickers with hard-ons.

May-02-23
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  perfidious: In a perfect world, Ding would be accepted on his merits; in this world, he will be denigrated without end, for whatever reason. Carlsen has been the object of a cottage industry, come to slagging, and there is no active player who comes within light years of his achievements.
May-02-23
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  Sally Simpson: Hi Perfidious

<no active player who comes within light years of his achievements.>

I know, no leg to stand on if comparison are made so I'm staying with 129 v 136.

And why am I going to defend Ding against all comers. Because I can easily spell his name and he is Chinese and 'Chinese' is nearly (close enough for me) an anagram of Chess. Whereas Norway does not even have one of it's letters in 'Chess.'

May-02-23
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  Sally Simpson: Silent Storm. Ding's nickname. (I never knew that - good name for nickname of here. Double S.S. it cannot fail.)

"Carlsen was charismatic and cocky. Ding is humble, with a low profile."

All this and more, including Nepo's sleeping pills vanishing. (he blames the cleaning lady - I suspect skullduggery.) An excellent round up of the match by Sean Ingle in the Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...

May-02-23  ex0duz: <Carlsen has clearly dominated over Ding>

In what way? Having a higher elo, and thus being a better tourney player in general? Sure.

But better in head to head? I don't think so. It has been pretty close, with ding always giving carlsen trouble. In the only match that I can remember, which was the 2019 sinquefield tie breaker 4 game mini match of rapid(and blitz?), ding beat Magnus in that. Basically the only player to do so for years. I can't even remember anyone else who has beaten Magnus in a match of any length at any time control.

So until ding and Magnus play head to head in a match, no one can say magnus is better than ding or will "dominate ding". History has not shown that , and instead shown the opposite. He's never dominated ding, unlike say, naka for example.

Can't believe Dings bio hasn't been updated since before he was 2800, like 5 years ago or something at least.

I think dings best is still in front of him. This match has made him mature, and made him see a psychologist before the match, made him step up his training with seconds, etc. He will get the help of Chinese chess federation in future much more now imo, and be will have the motivation to win and keep his credibility as world champ at all costs now. Only time will tell whether he can do it, but with the way he played and won this match, I will not bet on him crumbling easily. He is a fighter, someone who played 46.Rg6 under the most extreme of circumstances with less than 1 minute on his clock. That move has made me look at him in a new light, and trust me, I was already a massive Ding fan before this match but am an even bigger one now. That move will go down in the history books as the best finish to an already great match. Unfortunately for nepo, he too will go down in history but for all the opposite reasons.

May-02-23
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  MissScarlett: <Can't believe Dings bio hasn't been updated since before he was 2800, like 5 years ago or something at least.>

User: ex0duz : <Updated bio as of 28th of January, 2017>

May-02-23
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  dempun: <Joshka: So what do you folks say about Carlsen? Carlsen has clearly dominated over DingLing, and in fact he's being crowned Champ without having to beat Carlsen in a Championship match!!!>

Carlsen for some reason decided he had nothing to gain by participating in the world championship match against Nepo.

You can't blame the World Champion for the former Champion choosing not to play.

Whether or not Carlsen `dominated' over Ding in not relevant at all.

I will however note the grade school slurs on the Champion's name you chose to use.

May-02-23  Petrosianic: <ex0duz>: <Carlsen has clearly dominated over Ding>

<In what way? Having a higher elo, and thus being a better tourney player in general? Sure.>

Carlsen's record against Ding is +1-0=9. If that's domination, you have to wonder what slight superiority would look like.

You'll find that joshka is more about feelings than facts, and plays very fast with the truth if he thinks he won't get called on it. You absolutely cannot trust him to tell the truth for its own sake. The other day he claimed I'd lied to him when I cited an inconvenient fact, and then ran for the hills when I asked him exactly what the lie was.

May-02-23
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  saffuna: <Joshka: So what do you folks say about Carlsen? Carlsen has clearly dominated over DingLing, and in fact he's being crowned Champ without having to beat Carlsen in a Championship match!!! Naw, he's no Champ for me at all.....LingDing needs to offer Carlsen a Match for all the marbles, THEN we'll see who is best!! Now that would be a match for everyone to get excited about!!>

I don't get it.

Rafael Nadal has won the French Open 14 times since 2005. Unquestionably the best at that tournament.

Say in 2013 Nadal had simply decided not to play in the French Open any more.

Should the other players stop playing in the French Open? Would people speak badly of the player who won the tournament the next year? Would that player have to play against and defeat Nadal or he would be considered a pretender?

May-02-23
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  Sally Simpson: Hi Exodus,

<So until ding and Magnus play head to head in a match, no one can say magnus is better than ding >

I agree in a way but the trouble I've always had with that and I though this way before the Moscow Marathon. The loser picks up things and experience.

The winner won the match but the loser of the match has got better. So does a match really prove anything?

In the Moscow Marathon Kasparov got a whole batch of free lessons. He came out of it the better player.

<I think dings best is still in front of him.> Hopefully but his age is against him.

Carlsen won it when he 23, Ding is 30. To have any hope of emulating Carlsen, which is how he will be judged at the end of his tenure as champion, he will have carry the weight of the title till he's 40. Not impossible though I'd guess unlikely. Time will tell.

Looking forward to his reign. Not a player I've followed with any degree of serious interest. Ding's a tough wee fighter, plays games with a style, I can nearly understand. That is from what games I've recently been looking at before and during the final. (What Carlsen was up to was often a mystery.)

May-02-23
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  saffuna: <So until ding and Magnus play head to head in a match, no one can say magnus is better than ding >

So nobody can say Magnus is better than me.

May-02-23
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  Sally Simpson: Tennis!

Why do people insist on bringing tennis to a chess forum. It's a cheats bat and ball game And all of the players have about charisma as a soap dish.

The first and 2nd service, what is that all about? If they cannot get the ball over the net and in the court in one go how come they are allowed to have another go?

It's akin to being allowed to take a move back in Chess.

I went one year. My sister used to stay at Wimbledon, she got tickets for me and mum. Mum loved it, I hated it. You are not allowed to shout at the players when they are playing - what kind of spectator sports is that? Some bloke in a high chair tells you to be quiet and you are not allowed to tell him to shut up. It was like being in church.

What a waste of a very expensive day that was.

May-02-23
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  MissScarlett: <Ding Liren, world chess champion: ‘I remembered Camus: ‘If you can’t win, you have to resist’’>

https://english.elpais.com/sports/2...

May-03-23
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  saffuna: <Why do people insist on bringing tennis to a chess forum. It's a cheats bat and ball game And all of the players have about charisma as a soap dish.>

And Ding and Nepo have charisma steaming out of their pores.

<You are not allowed to shout at the players when they are playing - what kind of spectator sports is that?>

The reason for that is that a player needs to hear the ball hit the other player's racket to know how the ball is it.

I do notice, <sally>, that you did not challenge the main point.

May-03-23
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  perfidious: <Petrosianic....You'll find that joshka is more about feelings than facts, and plays very fast with the truth if he thinks he won't get called on it....>

<joshie> definitely is into <his> truth.

<....You absolutely cannot trust him to tell the truth for its own sake. The other day he claimed I'd lied to him when I cited an inconvenient fact, and then ran for the hills when I asked him exactly what the lie was.>

There are other posters who should perform the same disappearing act.

May-03-23
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  dempun: <Why do people insist on bringing tennis to a chess forum. It's a cheats bat and ball game And all of the players have about charisma as a soap dish.>

Oh I don't know about that no charisma bit, though.

Ilie Nastase, Jimmy Conners, John McEnroe, and Nick Kyrgios just to name a few who were always worth the price of admission win or lose their match.

May-03-23
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  Joshka: Again, <Petrosianic> Lies, did you cut your teeth at CNN? MSNBC? Look here, all you have to do is look up in chessgames own database for heaven sake: Including Rapid /Exhibition Games... Magnus beats Ding a Ling 41 to 22 with 61 draws. Next, Only rapid/exhibition Games....Magnus Beats Ding a Ling 40 to 22 with 52 draws. yes I'd say that is dominate!! So stop with your LIES!!
May-03-23  Overgod: After a long sabbatical, building my empire and securing my name in the annals of human history, I have decided to return for a short and sweet moment, to confirm what everyone has already known, but hesitated to articulate: that Ding Dong the "Little Chong" (nickname given by some of his fans) is no World Champion. He will never be World Champion, besides World Champion of Luck, perhaps.

He did not win a single title or tournament in order to be allowed to even play for a WCC. He failed to qualify for the Candidates Tournament without famous chess tourist Karjakin making a donkey of himself and getting a suspension. But he got lucky to be permitted to play. Politics and Backdoor deals carried him through. But no, that wasn't enough...

As expected, he failed to win the Candidates. But no, his luck did not stop there. Carlsen decided he had enough of wasting his time and energy schooling these patzers how to push their wood, so he (like me) decided to take a sabbatical and focus on more pressing matters (like Girls, Poker, Trolling people online, etc.) and abdicate his throne. So after some more politics and backroom deals with the Communist People's Party, they decided to carry Ding Dong further into undeserved fame and glory by letting him bore Nepomniatchi to sleep, to the point that Nepo was rushing his moves to get the torture over with.

Once again, he could not win anything. Neither a Classical Match against the runner-up, nor a Candidates Tournament, nor a match with the actual World Champion.

So now he decides to torture poor Nepo more in the Rapid section. At this point Nepo's mind was already contemplating the consequences of being on President Zing's spy-network watch list, so he threw the final game and gave this imposter a fake title to parade in the news media -- for the glory of the People's Republic, of course...

Let us be frank: Ding Dong "the Little Chong" did not win a single thing, besides a short Rapid Match versus Nepo, in 2023.

He did NOT earn the right to play in the Candidates Tournament. He did NOT win the Candidates Tournament. He did NOT defeat any reigning world champion. He did NOT defeat Nepo in a classical match. He did NOT win a world championship title.

What he *did* win, was a 4 game Rapid match versus Nepo. Nothing more.

That is all, ladies. I am heading back to my Nobel Prize winning Paper.

I may return in the future...

May-03-23  Petrosianic: <Joshka>: <Again, <Petrosianic> Lies, did you cut your teeth at CNN? MSNBC? Look here, all you have to do is look up in chessgames own database for heaven sake: Including Rapid /Exhibition Games... Magnus beats Ding a Ling 41 to 22 with 61 draws. Next, Only rapid/exhibition Games....Magnus Beats Ding a Ling 40 to 22 with 52 draws. yes I'd say that is dominate!! So stop with your LIES!!>

Yawn. You can check their record together right here:

https://www.chessgames.com/perl/che...

And it says, quite clearly

Chessgames: < LIFETIME RECORD: Classical games: Magnus Carlsen beat Ding Liren 1 to 0, with 9 draws.>

Now, let's look back at what I said:

Petrosianic: <Carlsen's record against Ding is +1-0=9.>

Gasp! Why, those numbers match exactly! What a coincidence!

You didn't lie this time, Josh. Congratulations for that. Maybe I've been a good influence on you. But you were at least disingenuous. When you said Carlsen had dominated Ding, you meant "...at Blitz and Rapids". If you had said that, you would have been absolutely correct. But of course that would have been almost irrelevant to the question of who would win a championship match (unless it went into overtime), which is why you tried to hide it.

But I do congratulate you. You were less dishonest with me this time than usual, Josh. Last time you lied outright, this time you just fudged a bit. I hope this is the start of bigger and better things.

May-03-23  Petrosianic: <joshka> Oh, wait. You did lie when you said I lied about the numbers, even though they exactly matched Chessgames' figures. So okay, only one outright lie, which is still pretty good for you. And you saw, I tried to clear you completely, and came pretty close.
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