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Nov-19-06
 | | Joshka: In one of Kasparov's books on his Predecessors, Garry claims Tal had "perfect pitch". I have read somewhere that Tal also had a good command of the piano. Can anyone verify these sources? Where did Garry get his info? We always read about the bad vices or character flaws of individual's what about some of the good ones! Thanks in advance |
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Nov-19-06 | | thegoodanarchist: Since Gary knew Tal, he may have just gotten the info from hanging out with Tal. |
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Nov-19-06 | | Calli: "perfect pitch" - Tal did play the piano well, but I always take Kasparov's historical "facts" with a grain of salt. In Russian, here is an interview with Tal's daughter (with photo): http://www.telegraf.lv/index.php?gi...
The story tells of bad treatment of Tal and his family by the Soviets. Apparently, he had to accept the generosity of a German admirer and moved to Germany late in life. Zhanna Tal still lives there, teaches music, and is getting into theater. At one point the interview says that her dad probably wished to see her as a professional musician since he was known as an "excellent" piano player, but would he expect an actress? Zhanna says that her dad would not be surprised. She and her mother would like to move back to Latvia but can't afford it. Neither she or her brother were invited to the Tal Memorial. |
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Nov-19-06
 | | Open Defence: <Neither she or her brother were invited to the Tal Memorial> I think most of the memorial tournaments have nothing much to do with the actual memories of the player they are supposed to celebrate... I thought the most interesting memorial was the Polgaevsky memorial where every game was supposed to be an Open Sicilian in memory of his contribution to the opening |
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Nov-20-06
 | | Joshka: <OpenDefence> Very good point! Wow, what a shame his children were not invited!! What's the point of calling something a "memorial" ? What are we to remember? As far as Garry claiming Tal to have "perfect pitch" I'm sure he got it from some source, and not just made it up, I would hope. We all know Taimanov excelled at the piano, Smyslov sang opera. Has there ever been a book written about Tal that talks about his early life in some of these details? |
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Nov-20-06 | | code13: Perfect pitch isn't that unusual, as far as I know. And even people who can't play any instrument can have perfect pitch. |
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Nov-21-06
 | | Joshka: <code13> Oh it is VERY unusual, believe I read somewhere maybe one in fifty-thousand!! |
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Nov-21-06 | | tino72: <Perfect pitch isn't that unusual> I too thought: "so what? It's not that rare - I used to have it." But I stand corrected. About 1 in 10,000 people have it according to Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolu...
(I now realise that I used to have RELATIVE pitch because I played the oboe and used a tuning fork every day to find the note A. I suspect that many people with so-called "perfect pitch" actually have relative pitch. As for Tal - who knows?) |
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Nov-21-06 | | code13: One in 10,000 still mounts up to a lot of people. It's not as if you have to be Mozart to have it. It is a lot less rare (per head of population) than being a grandmaster for example! |
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Nov-21-06
 | | Joshka: <tino72> allright thanks for the link! 1 in ten-thousand is more common than I would expect! Yes relative-pitch is a lot more common. I have this, but I use tricks. I pretty much know what A above middle C sounds like, and use this as a reference. Maybe this is what Tal had. Relative as opposed to absolute. thanks for answering |
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Nov-21-06 | | 2021: from the Baltic Review, vol.19:
Mikhail Tal—"Wizard of Riga" and "Diabolic Genius of Combination", to name just a couple of his many pseudonyms.
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Proof to the strong chess position of the Baltic Sea states, among the others are also the regular inter-state events of summing-up strength, the Chess Olympiads, held starting from 1927 Medals at Chess Olympiads have been awarded to Poland, Germany, Denmark, Sweden and Estonia, to say nothing of the fact that after WWII until 90s the nearly stationary winner, the team of the USSR was partly complemented by Estonian, Latvian and Leningrad's players. Latvians, too have found themselves in the leading sextet in Chess Olympiads (1931). Lithuania scored their best in 1937, winning the 7th place. The Finns and the Norwegians have displayed a somewhat bleaker performance. |
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Nov-23-06 | | CoryLetain: Let me clarify Perfect pitch. Perfect pitch is the ability to accurately identify frequency without any outside influence. As opposed to 'Relative' pitch where the person identifies frequency by comparison of other previuosly played frequencies. Musicians who have a good sense for relative pitch are just as good as perfect pitchers. First off perfect pitch it not that uncommon. One in 50 000! no way in hell. Second its commonly beieved that perfect pitch is something your born with. Couldn't be more wrong. Perfect pitch can be developed in any person ( taken for granted their not tone deaf or have a disabilty )if they put the time and effort into ear training. I've personally witnessed this. I know this because I have B Music Degree and I've spoken with many 'perfect pitchers' on this subject (some who have developed perfect pitch later in life). From what I've personnaly experienced, previous knowledge on perfect pitch has to be completely thrown out. So if somebody says "I have perfect pitch" I have no reason to disbelieve that claim, nor do I think its impressive if that person actually does have perfect pitch. |
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Nov-26-06 | | talisman: chessgames k-bitzers:botvinnik-tal 1960=100%. tal-botvinnik 1961=100%.fischer-spassky 1972=100%...these 3 are 3 of my favorites..... now alekhine-bogoljubov 1927=100%??? |
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Dec-03-06 | | talisman: i believe i read somewhere, where tal was never an IM.he was immediately granted a GM title in 57 or so after winning the ussr championship.1.i wonder if this is correct? 2.if it is, i wonder if it has ever happened since and to whom? |
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Dec-03-06
 | | plang: Not sure, but haven't the norm rules changed since 57? |
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Dec-03-06 | | Stefan Teplan: <talisman: botvinnik-tal 1960=100%. tal-botvinnik 1961=100%.fischer-spassky 1972=100%...these 3 are 3 of my favorites..... now alekhine-bogoljubov 1927=100%???> Alekhine-Bogoljubov 1927 will never be 100% cause in 1927 it was Alekhine-Capablanca |
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Dec-03-06 | | talisman: <Stefan Teplan> let's try 1929. |
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Dec-04-06 | | The hachett man: Has any one read Study chess with Tal by Tal and Koblentz? Is their additional new analysis of his compared to his biography? Bob |
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Dec-04-06 | | Stefan Teplan: <The hachett man> Yeah, I read it. There is no new analysis compared to his biography, it's more lectures and exercises on middlegame and endgame strategy, but very instructive. |
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Dec-10-06 | | talisman: 500th k-bitz.got to put it on the tal page.now there is one thing i know about chess and that is i don't know 500 things about it.saw a picture of tal, fischer, korchnoi, and stein the other day in a gufeld book on stein.i think it was in havana maybe 1966.they all had drinks in their hands and all were laughing.i wonder what they were talking about? well tal was in the middle of korchnoi and fischer, and it just struck me that who else but tal could get these two to laugh at the same time.here's to tal,fischer and all the greats of my childhood for bringing a lot of enjoyment to life. |
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Dec-11-06 | | The hachett man: Thanks Stefan for the info on "Study with Tal" I will read it with great interest. Talking of rare books by Tal, There seems two very rare books,
Tal's winning chess combinations (Simon and schuster 1979)which is very highly rated and mentioned previously on this site, Maybe Cadogan books can re-release this like they did with the "Life and games of Mikhail Tal" I'm sure it would be very popular, its currently very expensive on the second hand market. There is one more out of print Tal book called "Play like Tal" Batsford Ltd (February 1982)which I can not find any copy available to buy. I would be interested to know if any one has read it and how it compares to his other published books. |
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Dec-20-06 | | OJC: Here's a crosstable of the St. John blitz world championship in 1988. I've been interested in seeing it for a long time. http://www3.sympatico.ca/g.giffen/w...
Karpov and Kasparov both fared badly, but maybe due to limited games in matches and knockout style. Still, a great win for Tal, especially as his health wasn't the best. Now if only the games were available from somewhere... |
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Dec-20-06 | | whatthefat: <OJC>
Thanks for that. I wasn't aware that he won the final 4-0! |
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Dec-20-06 | | OJC: Yeah, the 4-0 finish for Tal is fantastic.
I found one game posted only yesterday by User: borkoto at Kiril D Georgiev . Interestingly, Georgiev would have won the tie-breaking game against Vaganian and met Tal in the final if not for a technicality. |
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Dec-20-06 | | OJC: I see that many of the games have been recently submitted to the database, e.g.: Tal vs Vaganian, 1988
Vaganian vs Tal, 1988
Tal vs Vaganian, 1988
Vaganian vs Tal, 1988
Tal vs A Chernin, 1988
A Chernin vs Tal, 1988
Tal vs A Chernin, 1988
A Chernin vs Tal, 1988
Yusupov vs Tal, 1988
Tal vs Yusupov, 1988
Tal vs Yusupov, 1988
Kiril Georgiev vs Kasparov, 1988
Kasparov vs Kiril Georgiev, 1988
Kiril Georgiev vs Kasparov, 1988 |
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