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Mir Sultan Khan
Number of games in database: 208
Years covered: 1928 to 1935

Overall record: +112 -48 =37 (66.2%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games in the database. 11 exhibition games, blitz/rapid, odds games, etc. are excluded from this statistic.

With the White pieces:
 Queen's Pawn Game (29) 
    D05 D02 D04 A46 E10
 Queen's Indian (7) 
    E18 E16 E12 E15 E17
 French Defense (7) 
    C01 C00 C13 C11
 Caro-Kann (5) 
    B13 B18
 Center Game (5) 
    C22 C21
 Sicilian (5) 
    B20 B29 B83
With the Black pieces:
 Nimzo Indian (13) 
    E23 E24 E38 E44 E41
 Ruy Lopez (11) 
    C79 C88 C78 C71 C74
 Queen's Pawn Game (11) 
    A46 D02 D00 A40
 Orthodox Defense (10) 
    D50 D55 D51 D57
 Caro-Kann (9) 
    B15 B12 B13 B10
 Sicilian (9) 
    B32 B46 B33 B30
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NOTABLE GAMES: [what is this?]
   Sultan Khan vs Capablanca, 1930 1-0
   Sultan Khan vs H Mattison, 1931 1-0
   Sultan Khan vs Flohr, 1932 1-0
   T H Tylor vs Sultan Khan, 1933 0-1
   Sultan Khan vs Marshall, 1930 1-0
   Ahues vs Sultan Khan, 1930 0-1
   Alekhine vs Sultan Khan, 1931 1/2-1/2
   Sultan Khan vs Rubinstein, 1931 1-0
   Euwe vs Sultan Khan, 1932 1/2-1/2
   Rubinstein vs Sultan Khan, 1930 1/2-1/2

NOTABLE TOURNAMENTS: [what is this?]
   British Championship (1931)
   Sultan Khan - Tartakower (1931)
   British Championship (1932)
   British Championship (1933)
   British Championship (1929)
   Liege (1930)
   Hastings 1930/31 (1930)
   Hastings 1932/33 (1932)
   Hastings 1931/32 (1931)
   London (1932)
   Berne (1932)
   Hamburg Olympiad (1930)
   Scarborough (1930)
   Prague Olympiad (1931)
   Folkestone Olympiad (1933)

GAME COLLECTIONS: [what is this?]
   Mir Sultan Khan by samsloan
   Sultan Khan: Chess Biography by Dhamal Goda
   Sultan Khan: Chess Biography by jessicafischerqueen
   Berne 1932 by Tabanus
   Mir Sultan Khan - the unsung Grandmaster by MTuraga
   Sultan Khan - Tartakower by Chessical
   London International Chess Congress, 1932 by Resignation Trap
   Liege 1930 by suenteus po 147
   Hastings 1932/33 by Phony Benoni
   When Sultans played Chess by Open Defence

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(born 1905, died Apr-25-1966, 60 years old) India

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Mir Sultan Khan was born in 1905 in Mittha in the Punjab, British India. His prowess at the Indian variety of chess brought him to the notice of Colonel Nawab Sir Umar Hayat Khan who taught him the European game.

After winning the All-India Championship in 1928 (+8, =1, -0) he went to England and quickly came to the notice of English masters William Winter and Fred Dewhirst Yates who helped him overcome his lack of theoretical knowledge. He was British Champion in 1929, 1932 and 1933.

He played on three British Empire Olympiad teams in 1930, 1931 and 1933 and participated in some international events. He was 2nd at Liege 1930, 3rd at Hastings 1930-31 and 3rd= at London 1932. In matches he beat Savielly Tartakower (+4, =5, -3) in 1931 and lost to Salomon Flohr (+1, =3, -2) in 1932. Chessmetrics ranked him sixth in the world in May 1933, behind only Alekhine, Kashdan, Flohr, Capablanca, and Euwe.

He returned to India with Sir Umar in December 1933 and played very little serious chess again. He passed away in Sargodha, Pakistan in 1966.


Edmund Spencer/Gerald Abrahams vs Mir Sultan Khan/Fred Dewhirst Yate, 1931

Wikipedia article: Mir Sultan Khan

Last updated: 2021-01-21 17:53:06

 page 1 of 9; games 1-25 of 208  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. Sultan Khan vs Gurubaksh Rai 1-0331928Ch-All IndiaC22 Center Game
2. Ramsukh Kaka vs Sultan Khan  0-1451928Ch-All IndiaD51 Queen's Gambit Declined
3. Sultan Khan vs V N Gadre 1-0241928Ch-All IndiaC44 King's Pawn Game
4. Sultan Khan vs Morbhat Mehendale  1-0771928Ch-All IndiaC44 King's Pawn Game
5. Sultan Khan vs N J Roughton  1-0381928Ch-All IndiaD10 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav
6. Manzur Hassan vs Sultan Khan  0-1361928Ch-All IndiaC00 French Defense
7. V K Khadilkar vs Sultan Khan 0-1511928Ch-All IndiaD37 Queen's Gambit Declined
8. Sultan Khan vs N R Joshi 1-0251928Ch-All IndiaC21 Center Game
9. Sultan Khan vs S V Bodas  ½-½441928Ch-All IndiaC49 Four Knights
10. B Siegheim vs Sultan Khan 0-1371929MatchD57 Queen's Gambit Declined, Lasker Defense
11. Capablanca vs Sultan Khan 0-1241929Simul, 35bD50 Queen's Gambit Declined
12. Sultan Khan vs Yates  0-1681929Quadrangular tE30 Nimzo-Indian, Leningrad
13. A G Conde vs Sultan Khan  0-1551929Quadrangular tD30 Queen's Gambit Declined
14. Sultan Khan vs W Winter  0-1381929Quadrangular tB20 Sicilian
15. Yates vs Sultan Khan 1-0461929Quadrangular tC17 French, Winawer, Advance
16. F E Hamond vs Sultan Khan 1-0431929British ChampionshipD45 Queen's Gambit Declined Semi-Slav
17. Sultan Khan vs G Abrahams 1-0371929British ChampionshipC01 French, Exchange
18. W Fairhurst vs Sultan Khan 0-1401929British ChampionshipD37 Queen's Gambit Declined
19. H E Price vs Sultan Khan  0-1381929British ChampionshipB12 Caro-Kann Defense
20. R P Michell vs Sultan Khan 0-1561929British ChampionshipD15 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav
21. Sultan Khan vs W Winter ½-½731929British ChampionshipB20 Sicilian
22. A Eva vs Sultan Khan ½-½411929British ChampionshipD10 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav
23. Sultan Khan vs E Irving 0-1281929Simul, 33bB01 Scandinavian
24. Sultan Khan vs C W Brown  0-1291929Simul, 33bA41 Queen's Pawn Game (with ...d6)
25. Sultan Khan vs R N Coles 1-0351929SimulD85 Grunfeld
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  MissScarlett: <[Event "Simul, 14b"]
[Site "Oxford ENG"]
[Date "1933.11.23"]

Sure of the date? The <Hastings & St. Leonards Observer> of December 2nd gives November 25th.

Apr-14-18  zborris8: <MissScarlett> Khan participated in a London tournament on November the 25th, 1933.


[Event "Imperial CC v Cambridge University"]
[Site "London"]
[Date "1933.11.25"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Sultan Khan, Mir"]
[Black "Craddock, James Marston"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "C14"]
[PlyCount "84"]
[EventDate "1933.11.25"]
[EventCountry "ENG"]
[Source "John Saunders"]
[SourceDate "2016.02.22"]
[WhiteTeam "Imperial CC"]
[BlackTeam "Cambridge University"]

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Be7 5. e5 Nfd7 6. h4 a6 7. Qg4 h5 8. Qf4 c5 9. dxc5 f6 10. exf6 gxf6 11. Bh6 e5 12. Qd2 Nxc5 13. Be2 Bg4 14. f3 Be6 15. O-O-O Nc6 16. g4 d4 17. Ne4 Nxe4 18. fxe4 hxg4 19. Rf1 Rc8 20. a3 Qb6 21. Bg7 Na5 22. Qd3 Rg8 23. Bh6 Nb3+ 24. Kd1 Nc5 25. Qd2 Nxe4 26. Qd3 f5 27. Bc1 Bc4 28. Qxc4 Rxc4 29. Bxc4 Rh8 30. Rh2 f4 31. Re1 g3 32. Rhe2 Nf2+ 33. Kd2 e4 34. Rxe4 Nxe4+ 35. Rxe4 d3 36. Nh3 Rxh4 37. Ng5 Rh2+ 38. Kxd3 Qd6+ 39. Kc3 Qf6+ 40. Kb3 Qxg5 41. Bxf4 Qg4 42. Bd6 Qd1 0-1

<Source: Times Literary Supplement, 7 Dec 1933.>

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  MissScarlett: Now I'm up to speed with the English Chess Forum discussion about this game. The link won't post properly for some reason.

There's no need to post the full score of submitted games.

Apr-23-18  Chessinfinite: Not surprisingly, Khan's page is swarming with Brits, just like it must have been when he beat Tartakower or when he won the British Championship..
Apr-14-20  Caissanist: GM Daniel King has published a new biography of Khan, which seems interesting. Summary here: .
Apr-19-20  CarlosCleto: Sultan Khan games from the 22nd British Chess Championship (Ramsgate 1929)

[Event "BCF-ch 22nd"]
[Site "Ramsgate, Chatham Hse Sch"]
[Date "1929.07.29"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Hamond, Francis Edward (Rev"]
[Black "Sultan Khan, Mir"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D45"]
[PlyCount "85"]
[EventDate "1929.07.29"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[EventRounds "11"]
[EventCountry "GBR"]
[Source "John Saunders"]
[SourceDate "2016.03.27"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. c4 e6 4. Nc3 c6 5. e3 Bd6 6. Qc2 Nbd7 7. Bd2 O-O 8. cxd5 exd5 9. Bd3 h6 10. g4 Re8 11. g5 hxg5 12. Nxg5 Nf8 13. O-O-O Ne6 14. h4 c5 15. Rdg1 cxd4 16. Nxe6 Bxe6 17. exd4 Qc7 18. h5 Ne4 19. Bxe4 dxe4 20. Qxe4 f5 21. Qh4 Bd5 22. h6 Bxh1 23. Rxg7+ Qxg7 24. hxg7 Bc6 25. d5 Bd7 26. Qh8+ Kf7 27. Qh5+ Kg8 28. Qh8+ Kf7 29. Qh7 Rg8 30. Qh5+ Kxg7 31. Qh6+ Kf7 32. Qxd6 Rad8 33. Qc7 Ke8 34. Bf4 b5 35. Bd6 a5 36. Qxa5 Rc8 37. Qb6 Rc4 38. Kd2 f4 39. b3 Rc8 40. Ne4 Rg6 41. Qd4 Kf7 42. Qe5 b4 43. Qe7+ Sources: Manchester Guardian, 2 Aug 1929; ♗CM, Sept 1929, p360 1-0

[Event "BCF-ch 22nd"]
[Site "Ramsgate, Chatham Hse Sch"]
[Date "1929.07.31"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Sultan Khan, Mir"]
[Black "Abrahams, Gerald"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C01"]
[PlyCount "73"]
[EventDate "1929.07.29"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[EventRounds "11"]
[EventCountry "GBR"]
[Source "John Saunders"]
[SourceDate "2016.03.27"]

1. e4 e6 2. Nf3 d5 3. exd5 exd5 4. d4 Nf6 5. Bd3 Bd6 6. O-O Nc6 7. Re1+ Ne7 8. Bg5 Be6 9. Nc3 c6 10. Ne2 Qc7 11. Ng3 O-O-O 12. c3 h6 13. Bd2 h5 14. Bg5 Bg4 15. h3 h4 16. Nf1 Bh5 17. b4 Nfg8 18. Bf6 Nxf6 19. Ne3 Qd7 20. b5 Rdg8 21. bxc6 Qxc6 22. c4 Qd7 23. cxd5 Kb8 24. Rb1 g5 25. Bb5 Qc7 26. Qa4 g4 27. Rec1 Qd8 28. hxg4 Bg6 29. Rb3 h3 30. Bc6 b6 31. Nc4 Nxc6 32. Qxc6 hxg2 33. Nxd6 Qe7 34. Re3 Rh1+ 35. Kxg2 Rxc1 36. Rxe7 Rxc6 37. dxc6 Sources: Glasgow Herald, 2 Aug 1929; Cheltenham Chronicle, 17 August 1929; The Observer, 18 Aug 1929; ♗CM, Sept 1929, p363 1-0

[Event "BCF-ch 22nd"]
[Site "Ramsgate, Chatham Hse Sch"]
[Date "1929.08.01"]
[Round "4"]
[White "Fairhurst, William Albert"]
[Black "Sultan Khan, Mir"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "D53"]
[PlyCount "80"]
[EventDate "1929.07.29"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[EventRounds "11"]
[EventCountry "GBR"]
[Source "John Saunders"]
[SourceDate "2016.03.27"]

1. Nf3 e6 2. d4 d5 3. c4 Nf6 4. Nc3 a6 5. Bg5 Be7 6. e3 dxc4 7. Bxc4 b5 8. Bd3 Bb7 9. O-O Nbd7 10. Qe2 c5 11. Rfd1 c4 12. Bc2 Nd5 13. Ne4 f6 14. Bh4 O-O 15. Bg3 Qb6 16. Rac1 Rfd8 17. Bb1 Rac8 18. Ned2 Nf8 19. e4 Nb4 20. Nf1 a5 21. Ne3 Na6 22. a4 Nb4 23. axb5 Qxb5 24. b3 a4 25. bxa4 Qxa4 26. d5 exd5 27. exd5 Bxd5 28. Nxd5 Nxd5 29. Bxh7+ Kxh7 30. Rxd5 Rxd5 31. Qe4+ Kh8 32. Qxd5 Rd8 33. Qh5+ Kg8 34. Nh4 Ba3 35. Rf1 c3 36. Nf5 c2 37. Nd6 Qb3 38. Nf5 Rd1 39. Bf4 Rxf1+ 40. Kxf1 Qb1+ Sources: Yorkshire ♙ost and Leeds Intelligencer, 9 August 1929; ♗CM, Oct 1929, p403 0-1

Apr-19-20  CarlosCleto: [Event "BCF-ch 22nd"]
[Site "Ramsgate, Chatham Hse Sch"]
[Date "1929.08.06"]
[Round "8"]
[White "Price, Hubert Ernest"]
[Black "Sultan Khan, Mir"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B12"]
[PlyCount "76"]
[EventDate "1929.07.29"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[EventRounds "11"]
[EventCountry "GBR"]
[Source "John Saunders"]
[SourceDate "2016.03.27"]

1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. e5 e6 4. Bd3 c5 5. c3 Nc6 6. Ne2 Qb6 7. O-O Bd7 8. dxc5 Bxc5 9. b4 Be7 10. Be3 Qc7 11. f4 f5 12. Nd2 Nh6 13. h3 O-O 14. Nf3 a6 15. Kh1 Be8 16. Nfd4 Qd7 17. Bc2 Bh5 18. Qd3 Bg6 19. a3 Nxe5 20. fxe5 f4 21. Qd1 Bxc2 22. Qxc2 fxe3 23. Qd3 Bg5 24. Nf3 Qe7 25. g4 Rac8 26. Kg2 Rf7 27. Ned4 Bf4 28. a4 Rff8 29. Ne2 g5 30. Rh1 Rc4 31. Ned4 Nf7 32. h4 Nxe5 33. Nxe5 Bxe5 34. hxg5 Rf2+ 35. Kg1 Bxd4 36. cxd4 Rcc2 37. Rh6 Rg2+ 38. Kh1 Qc7 Sources: Glasgow Herald, 10 Aug 1929; ♗CM, Sept 1929, p364 (Star♗ase 4.56 gives five more moves for each side) 0-1

[Event "BCF-ch 22nd"]
[Site "Ramsgate, Chatham Hse Sch"]
[Date "1929.08.07"]
[Round "9"]
[White "Michell, Reginald Pryce"]
[Black "Sultan Khan, Mir"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "D13"]
[PlyCount "112"]
[EventDate "1929.07.29"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[EventRounds "11"]
[EventCountry "GBR"]
[Source "John Saunders"]
[SourceDate "2016.03.27"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 a6 5. cxd5 cxd5 6. Bf4 Nc6 7. Qc2 e6 8. a3 Bd7 9. e3 Qa5 10. Nd2 b5 11. Nb3 Qb6 12. Bd3 Be7 13. O-O Rc8 14. Qe2 h6 15. Rac1 Na5 16. Nxa5 Qxa5 17. e4 Qb6 18. e5 Ng8 19. Qg4 g5 20. Be3 f5 21. exf6 Nxf6 22. Bg6+ Kd8 23. Qe2 Rc6 24. Bd3 Bd6 25. Kh1 Qb8 26. g3 Rc8 27. f4 g4 28. f5 (28. Na2 $1) 28... e5 29. dxe5 Bxe5 30. Qf2 Rc6 31. Bd4 Bxd4 32. Qxd4 Qb6 33. Ne2 Qxd4 34. Nxd4 Rxc1 35. Rxc1 Ke7 36. Kg1 Kd6 37. Kf2 Re8 38. Nb3 Re5 39. Nd4 Ne4+ 40. Kg2 Re8 41. Rf1 Ke5 42. Ne2 Bxf5 43. Nc3 Rf8 44. Re1 Kd4 45. Bxe4 Bxe4+ 46. Kg1 Kd3 47. Rd1+ Kc2 48. Rd4 Kxb2 49. Nxe4 dxe4 50. Rxe4 Kxa3 51. Re3+ Kb4 52. Re4+ Kc3 53. Rxg4 a5 54. Rg6 Rh8 55. Ra6 a4 56. Kf1 Kb3 Sources: Cheltenham Chronicle, 14 Sept 1929; ♗CM, Sept 1929, p354 0-1

[Event "BCF-ch 22nd"]
[Site "Ramsgate, Chatham Hse Sch"]
[Date "1929.08.08"]
[Round "10"]
[White "Sultan Khan, Mir"]
[Black "Winter, William"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B20"]
[PlyCount "145"]
[EventDate "1929.07.29"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[EventRounds "11"]
[EventCountry "GBR"]
[Source "John Saunders"]
[SourceDate "2016.03.27"]

1. e4 c5 2. Bc4 e6 3. Nc3 a6 4. a4 Nc6 5. Nf3 Nf6 6. Qe2 Nd4 7. Nxd4 cxd4 8. Nb1 d5 9. exd5 Nxd5 10. O-O Be7 11. d3 O-O 12. Nd2 b6 13. Nf3 Bf6 14. Qe4 Bb7 15. Nxd4 Qd7 16. Nf3 Nc3 17. Qg4 Ne2+ 18. Kh1 Nxc1 19. Raxc1 b5 20. axb5 axb5 21. Bb3 Bxb2 22. Rb1 Bf6 23. Rfe1 Qd6 24. Qg3 Qxg3 25. hxg3 Bc3 26. Re2 Rfd8 27. Ng5 g6 28. Ne4 Bd4 29. f3 h5 30. Kh2 Kg7 31. f4 Bc6 32. Ng5 Re8 33. Nf3 Bc3 34. Kg1 Re7 35. Ng5 Rae8 36. Ne4 Bd4+ 37. Kh2 f5 38. Ng5 e5 39. Kh3 e4 40. dxe4 fxe4 41. Kh2 Bf6 42. Rd1 Bxg5 43. fxg5 e3 44. Rd6 Bd7 45. Bd5 Bg4 46. Bf3 Rd7 47. Rxd7+ Bxd7 48. Re1 b4 49. g4 hxg4 50. Be2 Bf5 51. Rb1 Re4 52. Kg3 Kf7 53. c3 bxc3 54. Rc1 Ke6 55. Rxc3 Ke5 56. Rc5+ Kd4 57. Rc4+ Kd5 58. Rc1 Rd4 59. Rc3 Ke4 60. Rc7 Rd2 61. Re7+ Kd4 62. Bxg4 Bxg4 63. Kxg4 Rxg2+ 64. Kf3 Rf2+ 65. Kg3 Rf5 66. Re6 Rxg5+ 67. Kf3 Rf5+ 68. Ke2 Rf2+ 69. Ke1 g5 70. Rg6 Rg2 71. Kf1 e2+ 72. Ke1 Ke3 $4 73. Rxg5 Source: Glasgow Herald, 17 Aug 1929. Contributed by Gerard ♔illoran, 26 February 2016. Also Glasgow Herald, 14 Sept 1929 1/2-1/2

[Event "BCF-ch 22nd"]
[Site "Ramsgate, Chatham Hse Sch"]
[Date "1929.08.09"]
[Round "11"]
[White "Eva, Arthur"]
[Black "Sultan Khan, Mir"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "D13"]
[PlyCount "82"]
[EventDate "1929.07.29"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[EventRounds "11"]
[EventCountry "GBR"]
[SourceTitle "BritBase"]
[SourceDate "2018.04.27"]
[SourceVersion "1"]
[SourceVersionDate "2018.04.27"]
[SourceQuality "1"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nc3 a6 4. cxd5 cxd5 5. Nf3 Nc6 6. Bf4 Nf6 7. h3 e6 8. e3 Qb6 9. Rb1 Bb4 10. Bd3 Bd7 11. O-O Rc8 12. Na4 Qa7 13. a3 Be7 14. b4 b6 15. Qe2 Nb8 16. Rfc1 O-O 17. Nc3 b5 18. Ne5 Nc6 19. Bg5 h6 20. Bh4 Be8 21. Rb3 Ne4 22. Bxe7 Nxe7 23. Bb1 f6 24. Nd3 Nxc3 25. Rbxc3 Rxc3 26. Rxc3 Bg6 27. Qd1 Bxd3 28. Qxd3 f5 29. Rc5 Rc8 30. f3 Qb8 31. e4 Rf8 32. Ba2 fxe4 33. fxe4 Qf4 34. exd5 Nxd5 35. Kh1 Qf2 36. Bxd5 exd5 37. Qc3 Re8 38. Rc8 Qf1+ 39. Kh2 Qf4+ 40. Kh1 Qf1+ 41. Kh2 Qf4+ Source: West Sussex Gazette, 22 August 1929, p5. Contributed by Gerard ♔illoran, 27 April 2018. 1/2-1/2

Remaining games, from rounds 2, 5, 6 and 7 are lost.

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  Sally Simpson: ***

Chessbase are fronting a petition to get Sultan Khan a G.M. title.

Of course the fact Danny King has just brought a book on him is just a coincidence.


The grand daughter of Sultan Khan is so disappointed with the 'facts' in Danny King's book she wants it recalled.

I'm thinking the solution to this is to give Danny King's G.M. title to Sultan Khan.


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  MissScarlett: @#$% off! Where's Staunton's GM title!? I feel a top 10 list of most retrospectively deserving of a GM title coming on.... Repeat after me: IT DONT MATTER!
May-16-20  JimNorCal: Staunton?
Wasn't he more of an organizer than a player?
Did all the pieces move the same way back then as they do now? :) :) :)
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  MissScarlett: Get out of here! Bobby Fischer never claimed Staunton was one of the ten best organisers of all time.
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  Sally Simpson: ***

Hi MissScarlett,

As I said on chessbase I think it's an advertising ploy to shift copies of the 'soon to be recalled' book on Sultan Khan.

Agree it does not matter, it stopped mattering the day FIDE scrapped the old much harder and more deserved of method becoming a G.M. and introduced the norm format.

When they do my bio book I hope my grand daughter gets copy to can put me up for an honorary G.M. title. (though in my case G.M. = Geoff's Mad.)


May-16-20  JimNorCal: "Bobby Fischer never claimed Staunton was one of the ten best organisers of all time."

Yes, well, was there a later interview with Bobby where he said calling Staunton a strong player was a practical joke? Because a bunch of Bobby's rivals suddenly sat up and were alarmed. "Bobby has been studying Staunton's games AND Bobby says they're really good!" Then said rivals proceed to waste weeks going over Staunton games looking for insights.

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  beatgiant: If we are talking about FIDE GM titles, it means people who were alive since FIDE started awarding them in 1950, right? After all, not even Steinitz, Lasker, Capablanca and Alekhine got one. As far as I know, FIDE has never given out titles posthumously.

Of people alive in 1950, Sultan Khan and Znosko-Borovsky come to mind as players who were worthy of at least IM titles, but it probably comes down to lack of advocacy by their national chess federations.

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  MissScarlett: According to some, Staunton would barely merit an FM title, and Morphy, being generous, an IM.
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  Sally Simpson: ***
Hi beatgiant

FIDE awarded Rudolf Maric a pothumas G.M. title.

Rudolf Maric (kibitz #5)

I think another player got one as well, (other name escapes me.)

Guess FIDE gave up the idea when it was realised no one would pay the 'you are now a G.M.' fee.

Once you have gathered your norms, by fair means or foul, you, or your federation pay FIDE a fee - in 2010 the fees were thus:

50 euro for CM.
70 euro for FM.
165 euro for IM.
330 euro for GM.

So if you did it the ideal FIDE way, in steps, the total would be 615 euro. Since 2010 the fees may have gone up, or even lowered.


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  beatgiant: <Sally Simpson> But now you are talking about "honorary grandmaster" which is not the same title as "grandmaster" and I doubt it requires payment of a fee. This matters even less than the actual title, except as a publicity stunt for the book as you pointed out, but more importantly, as publicity for chess, especially in South Asia, Sultan Khan's native place.
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  Sally Simpson: Hi Beat Giant,

Who will pay the fee was a wee joke.

But yes. When you mention the publicity Sultan Khan should get some recognition. Just hope it will not be viewed as an apology for the misunderstandings about him in print.

Reuben Fine calls him a grandmaster! in this piece which may indeed contain some mistakes regarding his nationality and role.

"In the meantime Sultan Khan, who was our real entrée to his presence, was treated as a servant by the maharajah (which in fact he was according to Indian law), and we found ourselves in the peculiar position of being waited on at table by a chess grand master.’

pages 24-25 of 'Lessons from My Games' by Reuben Fine. This is also repeated in Danny King's book.

For more see Edward Winter's site:


Sep-30-21  WNRRRWN: how good was this guy, like jacob yuchtman?
Sep-30-21  WNRRRWN: what are results khan vs alekhine?
Sultan Khan vs Alekhine, 1933
Oct-08-21  RookFile: <Boomie: On the surface it appears that England oppressed India. >

I almost choked on my meatball sub when I read this.

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  Sally Simpson: I'm going through a large bundle of loose BCM's I bought for 10p each. (I haggled down to 12 for a £1.00)

First port of call in each issue is 'Quotes and Queries' ran by D. J. Morgan.from 1953-1978. See 'Chess Morganisms'

He rather humorously got caught out once with a genuine piece of information.

In an earlier Q&Q he has asked for information on Sultan Khan and in May 1960 Q&Q he stated 'Mystery Solved' as a Mr Kurt Dryer confirms Sultan Khan is now an opera singer currently performing in South Africa. I re-read the whole piece a few times looking for the Morgan quip. There is none. (surely not true.)

The following issue D.J.M. printed a brief apology and thanked a K.W. (Ken Whyld?) for pointing out the error.

It was not a joke sent in by Kurt Dryer. I even looked for the 'give away' anagram of that name after I saw 'Turkey' popping at me.

The piece was in a copy of a 1959 South African chess magazine and there was an Opera Singer called Sultan Kann (1940-2011) and by all accounts he was rather good.

Apr-29-22  Albertan: Asia’s First Grandmaster ´´was an unsung Chess genius who shattered many glass ceilings’´.:

Jun-05-22  Albertan: Sultan Khan-greatest chess hero in undivided India:

Jun-24-22  adbat: As Capablanca said, Mir Sultan Khan was a chess genius, a natural talent, a unique case in chess.
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