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| May-16-20 | | Sally Simpson: ***
Chessbase are fronting a petition to get Sultan Khan a G.M. title. https://en.chessbase.com/post/help-... Of course the fact Danny King has just brought a book on him is just a coincidence. meanwhile...
The grand daughter of Sultan Khan is so disappointed with the 'facts' in Danny King's book she wants it recalled. https://www.chess.com/blog/atiyabsu... I'm thinking the solution to this is to give Danny King's G.M. title to Sultan Khan. *** |
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May-16-20
 | | MissScarlett: @#$% off! Where's Staunton's GM title!? I feel a top 10 list of most retrospectively deserving of a GM title coming on.... Repeat after me: IT DONT MATTER! |
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| May-16-20 | | JimNorCal: Staunton?
Wasn't he more of an organizer than a player?
Did all the pieces move the same way back then as they do now? :) :) :) |
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May-16-20
| | MissScarlett: Get out of here! Bobby Fischer never claimed Staunton was one of the ten best organisers of all time. |
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| May-16-20 | | Sally Simpson: ***
Hi MissScarlett,
As I said on chessbase I think it's an advertising ploy to shift copies of the 'soon to be recalled' book on Sultan Khan. Agree it does not matter, it stopped mattering the day FIDE scrapped the old much harder and more deserved of method becoming a G.M. and introduced the norm format. When they do my bio book I hope my grand daughter gets copy to scrutinise....you can put me up for an honorary G.M. title. (though in my case G.M. = Geoff's Mad.) *** |
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| May-16-20 | | JimNorCal: "Bobby Fischer never claimed Staunton was one of the ten best organisers of all time." Yes, well, was there a later interview with Bobby where he said calling Staunton a strong player was a practical joke?
Because a bunch of Bobby's rivals suddenly sat up and were alarmed. "Bobby has been studying Staunton's games AND Bobby says they're really good!"
Then said rivals proceed to waste weeks going over Staunton games looking for insights. |
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May-17-20
 | | beatgiant: If we are talking about FIDE GM titles, it means people who were alive since FIDE started awarding them in 1950, right? After all, not even Steinitz, Lasker, Capablanca and Alekhine got one. As far as I know, FIDE has never given out titles posthumously. Of people alive in 1950, Sultan Khan and Znosko-Borovsky come to mind as players who were worthy of at least IM titles, but it probably comes down to lack of advocacy by their national chess federations. |
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May-17-20
| | MissScarlett: According to some, Staunton would barely merit an FM title, and Morphy, being generous, an IM. |
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| May-17-20 | | Sally Simpson: ***
Hi beatgiant
FIDE awarded Rudolf Maric a pothumas G.M. title. Rudolf Maric (kibitz #5) I think another player got one as well, (other name escapes me.) Guess FIDE gave up the idea when it was realised no one would pay the 'you are now a G.M.' fee. Once you have gathered your norms, by fair means or foul, you, or your federation pay FIDE a fee - in 2010 the fees were thus: 50 euro for CM.
70 euro for FM.
165 euro for IM.
330 euro for GM.
So if you did it the ideal FIDE way, in steps, the total would be 615 euro. Since 2010 the fees may have gone up, or even lowered. *** |
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May-17-20
| | beatgiant: <Sally Simpson>
But now you are talking about "honorary grandmaster" which is not the same title as "grandmaster" and I doubt it requires payment of a fee. This matters even less than the actual title, except as a publicity stunt for the book as you pointed out, but more importantly, as publicity for chess, especially in South Asia, Sultan Khan's native place. |
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| May-17-20 | | Sally Simpson: Hi Beat Giant,
Who will pay the fee was a wee joke.
But yes. When you mention the publicity Sultan Khan should get some recognition. Just hope it will not be viewed as an apology for the misunderstandings about him in print. Reuben Fine calls him a grandmaster! in this piece which may indeed contain some mistakes regarding his nationality and role. "In the meantime Sultan Khan, who was our real entrée to his presence, was treated as a servant by the maharajah (which in fact he was according to Indian law), and we found ourselves in the peculiar position of being waited on at table by a chess grand master.’ pages 24-25 of 'Lessons from My Games' by Reuben Fine. This is also repeated in Danny King's book. For more see Edward Winter's site:
https://www.chesshistory.com/winter... *** |
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| Sep-30-21 | | WNRRRWN: how good was this guy, like jacob yuchtman? |
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| Sep-30-21 | | WNRRRWN: what are results khan vs alekhine?
Sultan Khan vs Alekhine, 1933 |
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| Oct-08-21 | | RookFile: <Boomie: On the surface it appears that England oppressed India. > I almost choked on my meatball sub when I read this. |
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| Feb-06-22 | | Sally Simpson: I'm going through a large bundle of loose BCM's I bought for 10p each. (I haggled down to 12 for a £1.00) First port of call in each issue is 'Quotes and Queries' ran by D. J. Morgan.from 1953-1978.
See 'Chess Morganisms' https://www.chesshistory.com/winter... He rather humorously got caught out once with a genuine piece of information. In an earlier Q&Q he has asked for information on Sultan Khan and in May 1960 Q&Q he stated 'Mystery Solved' as a Mr Kurt Dryer confirms Sultan Khan is now an opera singer currently performing in South Africa. I re-read the whole piece a few times looking for the Morgan quip. There is none. (surely not true.) The following issue D.J.M. printed a brief apology and thanked a K.W. (Ken Whyld?) for pointing out the error. It was not a joke sent in by Kurt Dryer. I even looked for the 'give away' anagram of that name after I saw 'Turkey' popping at me. The piece was in a copy of a 1959 South African chess magazine and there was an Opera Singer called Sultan Kann (1940-2011) and by all accounts he was rather good.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulta... |
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| Apr-29-22 | | Albertan: Asia’s First Grandmaster ´´was an unsung Chess genius who shattered many glass ceilings’´.: https://www.thebetterindia.com/2837... |
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| Jun-05-22 | | Albertan: Sultan Khan-greatest chess hero in undivided India: https://www.siasat.com/sultan-khan-... |
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| Jun-24-22 | | adbat: As Capablanca said, Mir Sultan Khan was a chess genius, a natural talent, a unique case in chess. |
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| Feb-21-23 | | Mississaugan: Could we have a picture of Mr. Sultan Khan, the legendary chess wizard from India. |
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| Feb-21-23 | | stone free or die: <Mississaugan: Could we have a picture of Mr. Sultan Khan, the legendary chess wizard from India.> I heartily second this suggestion.
(What an oversight on <CG>'s part) |
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Feb-21-23
 | | jnpope: I thought we had a picture up years ago...
I checked Wikipedia and their source for the image they use is CG from 2008! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:... Not sure why CG took it down. Was there a copyright violation in play? |
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| Feb-22-23 | | stone free or die: <<jn> Was there a copyright violation in play?> Likely yes, as per your link (just scroll down a little): <This work is copyrighted (or assumed to be copyrighted) and unlicensed. It does not fall into one of the blanket acceptable non-free content categories listed at Wikipedia:Non-free content
§ Images or Wikipedia:Non-free content
§ Audio clips,
and it is not covered by a more specific non-free content license listed at Category:Wikipedia non-free file copyright templates. However, it is believed that the use of this work: • To illustrate the subject in question
• Where no free equivalent is available or could be created that would adequately give the same information • On the English-language Wikipedia, hosted on servers in the United States by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation, qualifies as fair use under United States copyright law. Any other uses of this image, on Wikipedia or elsewhere, may be copyright infringement. See Wikipedia:Non-free content and Wikipedia:Copyrights.> Since <CG> is a for-profit website, they (we?) don't get a "fair-use" pass. I like the one used here now almost as much - just wish we captioned not only the source, but the photograph context (e.g. what trophy, when taken, etc.) . |
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| Feb-22-23 | | Sally Simpson: The trophy is for winning the British Championship. https://www.britishchesschampionshi... |
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| Feb-22-23 | | stone free or die: Yes, but it would be nice to have that in the photo caption instead of the comments (where it will ultimately be washed away upon the rocky shoals and out to sea!). |
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| Feb-22-23 | | Mississaugan: Thanks CG! now we have the photo of Mr Sultan Khan in place! |
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