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May-04-22 | | Z free or die: <Petrosianic> Did anybody archive <Focus>' forum? Fischer vs H Matthai, 1956 (kibitz #26) (Speaking of unreliable...)
Note to all biographers - please don't use your personal forum for publishing historically interesting info - it risks being taken offline (see, for example, all the info published in <Chess Librarian> account - which should be a system account: CG Librarian chessforum)
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May-04-22 | | Z free or die: Slightly off-topic: Wonder how <Focus> is doing? Hopefully better, by-and-by.
(This is probably the forum he posted in the most) |
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May-04-22 | | pazzed paun: <Petrosianic>
I think we agree
I would like to see fewer Brady Stories
and fewer low IQ individuals who think Brady’s stuff is gospel truth |
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May-04-22
 | | MissScarlett: <Supply, say, a dozen examples, if possible.> Let's make things easier. Just half a dozen. |
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May-04-22
 | | Sally Simpson: As Focus pointed out in Fischer vs H Matthai, 1956 (kibitz #26) Brady writes: 'I ask forgiveness for my occasional speculations in this book....' So you have to view some of it with a bit of suspicion and then you can choose to believe the bits you want to believe...or hear what you want to hear and disregard the rest. (thank you Paul Simon) Which is what most people do with the enigma that was Bobby Fischer anyway. |
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May-04-22
 | | MissScarlett: Look, I'll settle for three, and that's my last offer! |
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May-05-22
 | | Sally Simpson: That lad might not have the book.
I trust the games Fischer played, there are witness's and signed score sheets by his opponents. Everything else written about him needs the 'occasional speculation' he was a chess player, his real private life story is probably very boring. Woke up, had breakfast, studied chess, ate dinner, studied endgames, ate supper, studied openings, went to bed, slept, Woke up, had breakfast, studied chess... I suppose you could do that for 250 pages and if it had 'Fischer' on the cover people would buy it. Have you seen the endless list of books on Bobby Fischer. which Edward Winter admits is as 'comprehensive as possible,' https://www.chesshistory.com/winter... I tried counting them twice but kept losing my place. The list was last updated in February 2020 so there will be more to add. |
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May-05-22 | | Z free or die: <<Missy> Look, I'll settle for three, and that's my last offer!> Seems the closer to closing time we come the less discerning <Missy> becomes! |
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May-05-22
 | | perfidious: <zed....Seems the closer to closing time we come the less discerning <Missy> becomes!> After the fashion of many a sot since time immemorial. |
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May-05-22
 | | MissScarlett: The gauntlet has been thrown down before the anti-Brady camp; they appear to have been provoked into silence. |
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May-05-22
 | | harrylime: <<Z free or die: <<Missy> Look>> This waaaaanka is the old USER
<<ZANZIBAR>> the Numptie refused to reveal this when challenged by me embarrassin . Loike. |
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May-05-22
 | | Sally Simpson: Focus pointed out a few errors.
Part 1
Robert James Fischer (kibitz #37348) No Idea what happened to part 2.
Part 3
Robert James Fischer (kibitz #37366) Part 4
Robert James Fischer (kibitz #37367) On the whole Focus appears to like the book (I thought is was OK - never finished it, I know how it ends. Gave it to the Club library.) This is Focus's work, not mine. I think one or two are minor nit-picking but some of the others are genuine errors. Genuine error.
page 30 (in Focus's copy I cannot check) The Tsar Nicholas II originally giving out GM titles. That is wrong. My view of a nit pick (though I'll accept that opinions may vary - it's a silly slip, no harm done, unlike the remark about the Tsar.) Pg. 104: On Gligoric’s thirty-second move, the Yugoslav looked up from the board and said, “Remis?” Fischer knew the French word for “draw” and he immediately consented.> Remis is German for Draw. |
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May-05-22
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<<Sally Simpson: Focus pointed out a few errors.
Part 1>>
FOOK off <<Sally>> xxx |
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May-06-22 | | Z free or die: <Harry> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQG... Or would you rather be a mule? |
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May-07-22
 | | Diocletian: I find very little historical record regarding the Fischer -Gligoric training match of 1992. In fact there is very little commentary on the games themselves here at chessgames, and I myself was unfamiliar with these games until now. My interest at the moment is in the dates during which this match was held. I do not have the time frame here, but clearly it had to be well prior to the match with Spassky and prior to the infamous Treasury Department letter dated August 21, which Fischer contemptuously displayed on September 1. I say it is all the more to the discredit of the government that the letter was conveyed AFTER the training match with Fischer's activity in Yugoslavia already well underway and the training match finished. One (not me) might argue that there was no prize fund in the training match so it might not count as "illegal business activity in Yugoslavia," but renting a hotel room or buying a Coca Cola is business too. I'm sure Fischer would have ignored any warning prior to the training match the same as he ignored the tardy warning of August 21, but the letter's timing only makes it all the more tasteless. Fischer began playing chess in Yugoslavia at age 15, and there was no valid reason that chess should make way for war when he was 49. On seeing Fischer's display on September 1 I called the Treasury Department and made my sentiments known. To my mind the timing of the letter only underlines its perfidy. So I stop by here today to add my spit to Fischer's on that letter. Now let me play through some of the creative work of Fischer - Gligoric 1992. Is there any place where these games are annotated? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U6... |
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May-07-22
 | | harrylime: <<Z free or die: <Harry> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQG...
Or would you rather be a mule?>> ok. USER <ZANZIBAR > |
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May-07-22
 | | MissScarlett: One would think the games date from around late July to early August: https://www.chesshistory.com/winter... You appear to think this unpublicised training match is signficant with regard to the Treasury letter, but I don't see any connection. |
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May-08-22
 | | HeMateMe: If you're a USA citizen you don't do business in a country where economic activity is banned. Fischer was told before that letter got spit on, before the match even began. The USA bans economic activity in places like Milosevic's Serbia, Putin's Russia. Fischer spent his whole life doing whatever he wanted, believing that the rules did not apply to him, because he was one of the best in the world at something. It finally caught up to him; Fischer did a year in jail, in Japan. He died alone, of a treatable medical problem, a mentally ill old man. |
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May-08-22
 | | Dionysius1: Spooky! In the score sheet (<Missy>'s link), RJF has written his name like Prisoner! Do do eee do do eee do. |
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May-08-22
 | | Dionysius1: Wow - does the US government define economic activity in a way that makes it even possible for dictatorships to want to ban it, let alone able to? The usual definitions of economic activity include making goods, providing services and using a medium of exchange. Strange the USA would think other countries would want to ban those. A twinge of liberal panic maybe? |
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May-08-22
 | | Diocletian: Thank you for the link. I liked looking at Fischer's sloppy score sheets, but there's no date given except for the year 1992. The sanctions on Yugoslavia were imposed by United Nations May 31, 1992. So if your estimate of the practice games date of July-August is right then Fischer was playing these games under the sanctions too. The games were not publicized so maybe the G was unaware of them - but I doubt it because both Fischer and his mother were subjects of scrutiny for many years prior. One may consider the matter significant or not significant. I do not know if the training match was subject to drug testing or injection mandates, but I say it's most of the world that's mentally ill, not Fischer. |
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May-08-22
 | | MissScarlett: <So if your estimate of the practice games date of July-August is right then Fischer was playing these games under the sanctions too.> These were economic sanctions. How could private training games - even if the American authorities were aware of them, which I'm positive they weren't - come under their rubric? |
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May-08-22
 | | Diocletian: It is noteworthy that Fischer used the English opening in the training match and later surprised Spassky and everyone else with it. This training games really had to be kept secret. |
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May-08-22
 | | Diocletian: <These were economic sanctions. How could private training games - even if the American authorities were aware of them, which I'm positive they weren't - come under their rubric?> I'm not sure, but I bet that if I had traveled to Yugoslavia, rented a hotel room and bought meals then I might have had trouble too. I don't know. |
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May-08-22
 | | HeMateMe: <then Fischer was playing these games under the sanctions too.> he wasn't paid to play Gligoric unless some behind the scenes wealthy benefactor threw him a bone for playing. Perhaps free hotel and meals, something like that. The second half of the match was to be played in Belgrade, Serbia. Milosevic was a murderer, a stone-cold ethnic cleanser dictator, like Hitler. The USA government does not want individuals and companies to do business in these parts of the world, with these peoples. Such economic activity hints at acceptability of such criminals and their behavior, acceptability of a war criminal like Milosevic. It is banned where possible by our state department. |
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