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Feb-05-22
 | | Sally Simpson: Hi K.P.
I was not thinking of you when I mentioned the 'D' word. I know you have at least played over his games and his notes and made up your own mind. I have no problem with that. ' Any evidence that anyone "shunned" his work?'
I'm running on the fact it took so long to get 300 hundred translated. It was published in 1896 (I never never knew about the limited edition in 1959 the advert for the 1999 Hays edition states 'This book is the first English Language edition of a chess classic.' so they did not know either.) His 'Die moderne Schachpartie' by all accounts an excellent book is still waiting translation and see above. A publisher today thinks any book on Tarrasch would be '... '...commercially too risky.'' As I said, he has a bad P.R. Hi Perfidious,
I too take the odd pop at some of Reinfeld's work but his one on Tarrasch and funnily enough Nimzovitch (Hyper Modern Chess) I really did enjoy (still take the occasionally dip into them.) Yes Danny could sometimes be a handful when it came to a point of view or what ever. I had one or two tumbles with him but we were always friends. Scotland was not prepared for him when he landed amongst us without warning. Soon Edinburgh was awash with Danny Kopec stories, some funny, some not, but always entertaining. He was not a shrinking violet, you knew when he was about. An excellent coach/teacher/team captain and friend. He too had many tales to tell regarding the American chess scene. A great character, once met never forgotten. I was in contact with him regarding a new venture right up unit a few month before he passed away. I miss him. |
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Feb-05-22
 | | perfidious: <zed>, it was during a long manoeuvring game which normally arises from the Gurgendize which I was playing sometimes then (1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 g6 4.e5 Bg7 5.f4 h5). Danny said something to me--do not recall what it was, I responded--then called me a schmuck. Never understood why. After the game (drawn in 90+ moves, 8.5 hours), we talked very amicably, then split two games in the blitz event the next night. |
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Feb-06-22
 | | Sally Simpson: Hi Perfidious,
Yes 'schmuck' was one of Danny's favourite phrases. I think everyone in his Scottish chess circle caught that at one time or another. During blitz another of his favourite sayings was booming out 'Hello!' when playing a winning threat. I played the Caro Kann just once in a serious game and it was a Gurgendize system. I lost.
I was not even at the races, no swindling chances, nothing. It was not the opening it was me, I played like a...schmuck! |
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Feb-06-22 | | Z free or die: All this schmucking it up got me yucking it up. |
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Mar-09-22 | | Albertan: Siegbert Tarrasch:Player,Thinker,and Teacher Extraordinaire (5 March 1862-17 February 1934): https://en.chessbase.com/post/siegb... |
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Oct-09-22
 | | Diocletian: "Chess, like money, like opiates, has the power to make you happy." |
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Oct-23-23 | | Caissanist: QOTD from Tarrasch:
<Chess is a terrible game. If you have no center, your opponent has a freer position. If you do have a center, then you really have something to worry about!> |
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Oct-23-23 | | stone free or die: Inspired by <Caissanist> I found this: <8331. Tarrasch quote
The haphazard dissemination of quotes is illustrated by a famous Tarrasch remark: ‘Chess is a terrible game. If you have no centre, your opponent has a freer position. If you do have a centre, then you really have something to worry about.’ Some brief observations:
1) The quote appears on countless English-language websites, without any source; 2) No German version is easily traceable on the Internet; 3) The English version was given by F. Reinfeld on pages 61-62 of Tarrasch’s Best Games of Chess (London, 1947) in a note to 19...Nf6 in Schiffers v Tarrasch, Leipzig, 1894; 4) After 16...Rfe8 in the same game, Tarrasch wrote in Dreihundert Schachpartien (the page number varies according to the edition): ‘Ein schreckliches Spiel, das Schachspiel! Hat man kein Zentrum, so hat der Gegner die freiere Stellung; und hat man eins, dann macht es einem schwere Sorge!’> C.N. 8831
Winter lamentablely often omits the English translation. Google translate to the rescue! <'A terrible game, chess! If you don't have a center, your opponent has a freer position; and if you have one, then it gives you serious trouble!'> . |
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Oct-23-23
 | | perfidious: One point is that, in German, there are certain words which are idiomatic ('Voelkisch' comes to mind), thus not directly translatable. My knowledge was one year of the language in student days, hence hardly enough to piece all the above together. |
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Oct-23-23 | | Caissanist: User: stone free or die thanks for that. I never knew that Chessgames has that feature to generate the correct link to an entry at chesshistory.com. Here is the link for 8331 (not 8831): C.N. 8331 . |
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Oct-24-23 | | Olavi: A good example of Winter's misconceptions. Chessplayers need not give exact sources for Tarrasch quotes (depending on the type of text, of course) any more than 'to be or not to be' or 'gogito, ergo sum' needs to be sourced every time you use it. |
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Oct-24-23 | | stone free or die: You have a point there <Olavi>, but I have to admit that I know immediately that "to or not to be" is from Shakespeare, whereas I didn't instantly know the center quote was from Tarrasch. (Though it's also true I'm at woodpusher level in quotes). Another example would be my not knowing "Cognito, ergo sum" is the original latin phrase from Descrates (here I might have been able to figure it out, but google was quicker). All in all, in each of these cases, I think sourcing a quote adds a little something "je ne sais quoi". |
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Oct-24-23 | | sudoplatov: "Cognito, ergo sum" has a back story. Descartes stopped at a small bar in Paris. He asked the bartender for a glass of Cabernet Sauvignon, which he downed. The bartender asked if he would like another. "I think not," replied Descartes and disappeared. |
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Oct-24-23 | | sudoplatov: Personally, I think stepped in front of a horse and got in trouble. |
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Oct-25-23 | | Olavi: <stone free or die> Depending on the type of text. But I didn't say it's not necessary to tell the reader that it's from Tarrasch; just that you don't need to give chapter and verse. On the other hand I do think 'Chess, like love, like music...' can be quoted without mention of Tarrasch. Well, there is no absolute answer. I think Winter would stuff the 480-line The Bronze Horseman by Pushkin full with historical references. That's what he does; no ear at all for different types of text. I apologize for the harsh words. |
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Mar-14-24
 | | jnpope: The <Brooklyn Daily Eagle>, 1895.12.15, p21, refers to him as Dr. S. B. Tarrasch. Did Tarrasch have a seldom used middle name that began with a B? |
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Mar-14-24
 | | Sally Simpson: Hi Jnpope,
Possibly a misprint, Edward Winter has; https://www.chesshistory.com/winter... "Did Siegbert Tarrasch have a middle name? Pages 254-255 of The Best In Chess by I. Horowitz and J.S. Battell (New York, 1965) twice refer to ‘S.G. Tarrasch’, although there may well have been confusion with Tartakower. further down on the same site;
‘The answer is apparently yes: Kurt. See the article “Unser Landesverband” by Dr. Klaus-Norbert Münch on pages 95-105 of Der Bayerische Schachbund. Aufbruch in das dritte Jahrtausend edited by A. Diel (Beyer Verlag, 2000). A footnote on page 99 reads: “Dr. Tarrasch führte den zweiten Vornamen Kurt. Dass er davon auch Gebrauch machte, ist aus einem überlieferten Geburtstagsgruss vom 11. Dezember 1920 an seine spätere zweite Frau Gertrud Schroder zu ersehen.”’ <but>
From Manuel Fruth: Unterhaching, Germany
‘In fact Tarrasch’s only forename was Siegbert, but with his family and close friends he regularly signed himself “Kurt” or “Curt”.’ Mr Fruth, who is working with the author Wolfgang Kamm on a large biography to mark the 70th anniversary of Tarrasch’s death, has kindly sent us corroborative documentation, including the master’s birth certificate." |
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Mar-14-24
 | | jnpope: Thanks. I didn't think he had a middle name. |
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Jan-04-25
 | | Sally Simpson: I've just been watching a programme on TV about Jack the Ripper who did his murders between the 30th of August 1888 and the 9th of November 1888. They reckon who ever did it had medical knowledge. There are no games here by Dr. Tarrasch here between those dates. I've solved the Ripper case. |
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Jan-04-25 | | Olavi: <Sally Simpson> And the tournament in Leipzig, starting December 3rd, was to be the absolute low point of his (chess) career. He must have had his mind on other matters. |
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Jan-04-25 | | stone free or die: (Belated thanks to <Caissanist> for correcting yet another of my loosey-goosey mishap-mistypes!) |
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Jan-04-25
 | | perfidious: Re the posts by <Geoff> and <Olavi>: the team of crack detectives at CG have finally sussed out a mystery which has confounded generations. |
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Jan-04-25 | | whiteshark: Gentlemen,
Now that you have solved this 'cold case' so brilliantly, you should get to work on the <American Ripper> case... |
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Mar-05-25 | | ZonszeinP: Tarrasch would have turned 163 today, if I'm not mistaken |
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Mar-05-25
 | | Open Defence: Happy birth anniversary Dr Tarrasch! |
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