|
< Earlier Kibitzing · PAGE 2 OF 7 ·
Later Kibitzing> |
| Feb-02-04 | | sleepkid: Ughaibu: Yes, but I'm not sure if he was the Russian checkers and chess champion, or simply the champion of the region where he was from. I think it was Russia though. Pillsbury was also said to be a remarkable checkers player, as well as whist. |
|
Feb-02-04
 | | Benzol: The information I have on Nezhmetdinov isn't clear on this point either, but he was definitely a master at both games. Btw Frank Brady in his biography says that Fischer possessed a couple of books on Draughts (that's Checkers to our American friends) and may have had more than a passing interest in it.
<ughaibu> In Japan what is the relationship between Shogi and Go? Is one considered a poor relation in regard to the other? i.e. Most Kibitzers here would regard Draughts (Checkers) as a good game but hold Chess to probably be the better of the two games.
I have read the above posts with a great deal of fascination. I wonder myself what the other Kibitzers do for a living and I'm also interested in what they think I do for one? I look forward to your replies. |
|
| Feb-02-04 | | matein8: <Nezhmetdinov and checkers and chess> This link might help you guys: http://www.angelfire.com/games/SBCh... |
|
| Feb-02-04 | | ughaibu: Benzol: The original meijin of go was named Honimbo Sansa (I think), he was also said to be the strongest shogi player. When the shogunate began their system of government sponsored families devoted to shogi and go, Sansa opted to be head of the go family. The go familiy received more rice than did the shogi family and I suspect this was because Sansa despite being the top player in both chose go, of course it may be that he chose go because the "pay" was better. In the professional world there still exists some difference, although top shogi players are paid so much they won't be worrying about it. Generally speaking it's much easier to find a go club than a shogi club so on the face of it it's fair to say go is more popular. However there is a tendency for those who play shogi when they're young to turn to go in middle age where as the reverse doesn't occur and as shogi or go clubs are generally patronised by retired men this at least partially explains why there are more go clubs. Shogi is likened to hunting while go is likened to farming, the parallel desire to settle down once the fires of youth burn low is meant to explain the change in preference from shogi to go. |
|
Feb-02-04
| | Benzol: Many thanks <ughaibu>, that is very interesting. |
|
| Feb-03-04 | | square dance: to back up benzol's point about checkers being the ugly step-brother to chess one need look no further than the movie training day; "this s*** is chess it isn't checkers." denzel washington's character to ethan hawke's character describing the complexity of the situation. |
|
| Feb-03-04 | | clendenon: Ughaibu sure is smart. thats why hes on my list. seekibitzers cafe. |
|
| Feb-03-04 | | Catfriend: :( And I'm the last? Just because I'm always drunk and asleep? Well, my cat is black and white... So when I try to play chess I'm confused.. |
|
| Feb-03-04 | | fatbaldguy: <Lawrence> Thank you for pointing out that site - and you are right, there are more differences between chess and
"Chaturanga" than I would have imagined. |
|
| Feb-07-04 | | S4NKT: Catfriend > maybe your cat can play chess for you? |
|
| Feb-07-04 | | Catfriend: No, she"ll be greedy... will eat anything, including poisoned pawns and that's bad for her health |
|
| Feb-07-04 | | PinkPanther: I hate it when they call games things such as "Japanese Chess" no...it's not chess unless it's chess. The only thing those two games have in common is that they're strategic games played with a board. I mean....if you wanna call Shogi "the japanese chess" then I guess we could call the game "Battleship" "chess for people who are too lazy to play chess, so they use plastic ships and a plastic board instead." |
|
| Feb-07-04 | | Catfriend: Great definition! Where were you when they composed Thesaurus? |
|
| Feb-07-04 | | PinkPanther: <Catfriend>
I don't know....I'm stilling trying to figure out why it has a name which sounds like that of a dinosaur. |
|
| Feb-07-04 | | Catfriend: Its size... (no joke here - the size and weight were the reason) |
|
| Feb-07-04 | | ughaibu: And I'm bored enough to go and look it up, it's from the Greek for "treasure house". |
|
| Feb-07-04 | | S4NKT: treasure house of synonyms huh |
|
| Feb-07-04 | | clendenon: its not checkers unless its checkers. so nobody has never played chinese checkers. |
|
| Feb-07-04 | | S4NKT: I've got a computer program with about 20 variants of Shogi, dai-dai-shogi, mini-shogi, micro-shogi, dolphin-shogi, super-dai-dai-jousan-shogi... et cetera... the largest board is 25x25 with lots of special pieces like flying dragons and evil monks and she-devils. The micro-shogi is 4x5 with a few basic pieces. none of the variants are 8x8 though ;) The standard shogi is 9x9 by the way, for those that don't know, and when you capture a piece it's "in hand" and you can place it back onto the board later in play, resulting in exciting tactical play and an accelerating speed until the end of the game, whereas in chess the 'speed' goes up and down most of the time. |
|
| Feb-07-04 | | ughaibu: S4NKT: None of the larger than standard variants re-use captured pieces except possibly wa-shogi depending on whose interpretation of the rules you have. Micro shogi was invented to advertise life insurance, the inventor/producer is a famous manga artist, it's not a very successful variant although fairly popular in some gaijin circles. Does your program have kyoto shogi or renge shogi? |
|
| Feb-07-04 | | PinkPanther: Hahahaha....crazyhouse shogi, lol. |
|
| Feb-07-04 | | S4NKT: oh.. cool.. I'll become a micro-shogi master then.
I think it had kyoto shogi.. I'll have a look when i get home to my computer again, I'm at an internet café. |
|
| Feb-07-04 | | Benjamin Lau: PP, with regards to your earlier argument about "Japanese Chess" not really being chess, technically chess originated in India, therefore, the chess as you know it is not really "chess," because the original version from India is "true" chess, therefore, this is 'merely' "British(?)" Chess which now apparently according to you needs a new name since its old one is invalid. ;-) |
|
| Feb-07-04 | | S4NKT: I thought the origin of chess is where the philosopher Xerxes made chess for his king Evilmeradoch in ancient greece? |
|
| Feb-07-04 | | S4NKT: That's what I was taught anyway. I haven't heard much about India except for the variation called chaturanga branching off there, just like in many other countries. |
|
 |
|
|
< Earlier Kibitzing · PAGE 2 OF 7 ·
Later Kibitzing> |
Kibitzing
