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Sep-22-17
 | | beatgiant: <Petrosianic>
<I've never seen copper that looked red to me>You're right, "brown cent" as in the Dutch idiom cited by <WorstPlayerEver> must be a more accurate description of the least valuable possible coin. I just googled "red penny" and learned that it is a coin collecting term, where "red" is mint condition and "brown" is used condition. They are more colorful but not really "red," and "red" ones are actually more valuable for collectors than "brown" ones. So this theory for the origin of the "red cent" idiom makes no sense! You were right, I have no idea why we say that. |
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| Sep-22-17 | | WorstPlayerEver: My mother used phrases like: "Sit your brown cent down!" Little wonder I was kind of restless 😯 |
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| Sep-22-17 | | Petrosianic: <beatgiant>: <You're right, "brown cent" as in the Dutch idiom cited by <WorstPlayerEver> must be a more accurate description of the least valuable possible coin.> I did a little checking to try to find out why being redder or purer would make it less valuable. One site I found says that it really doesn't, that "red" is merely an intensifier, and that you could say "down to his last darned cent", and be saying the same thing. |
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| Sep-26-17 | | diceman: <Everett: As I said above, it's only the nature of the match length that stopped Karpov here. The fact that it is Fischer's idiocy that suggested this format in the first place adds extra irony to it all.> Proves Fischer's point exactly.
He knew Karpov was weak the longer a match went on.
He knew a match where winning mattered, not draws, favored Fischer. That said, Fischer probably couldn't imagine all the cheap draws they took. |
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| Oct-22-17 | | rayoflight: <diceman>If you look at second-half of Fischer-Spassky 1972 match (if your Fischerism even allow it), you would observe several draws.Then how long should such a match goes on?
If you look at Carlsen-Karjakian 2016 match (again if your Fiscehrism allows it), you would observe several draws even in those games which Carlsen really pushed for a win and he failed.Then question is how long should such a match goes on? Keep playing till one side hits 6 wins was and is pure @#$%*&!#. Fischer knew very well he is never going to compete again therefore he issued some absolute nonsense to forge a justification for it. |
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Jan-04-19
 | | MissScarlett: I imagine that most people familiar with the K-K matches became so primarily through the prism of Kasparov's books, so it should be interesting to see another take on events: <In The Longest Game Jan Timman returns to the Kasparov-Karpov matches. He chronicles the many twists and turns of this fascinating saga, including his behind-the scenes impressions, and takes a fresh look at the games.> https://www.newinchess.com/the-long... |
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| Jan-04-19 | | Howard: Judging from the pages-sampling on the NIC website, there doesn't seem to be much of a "fresh look at the games". Offhand, the book doesn't look like much to brag about. |
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| Jan-18-19 | | mu69: In the book, Soltis , What it takes to become a Grand Master p234-238 Backward Ho, a comment by Korchnoi, regarding Karpovs Backward moves (retreats) played a part in Karpov's superiority over Kasparov in the first K-K match. Can someone point which games they are? |
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| Apr-06-21 | | macer75: <Keep playing till one side hits 6 wins was and is pure @#$%*&!#. Fischer knew very well he is never going to compete again therefore he issued some absolute nonsense to forge a justification for it.> Damn that's brilliant! If I were in the same position I'd do the same thing, not even as a justification but just to troll people. |
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Apr-06-21
 | | Joshka: Fischer is correct IMHO, draws do not count... play to a certain number of wins. Bring back fighting match play chess!!! In fact this should be incorporated for the US Championship as well!! Screw these silly tournaments. |
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| Nov-10-21 | | SirChrislov: <Joshka> No kidding, 12-game mini world championships, the absurdity! |
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Nov-10-21
 | | perfidious: This match, as nothing else, pointed up the absurdity of the unlimited games format in modern-day play, but neither are the 12-game sprints a solution. Best of 24 is best by test. |
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| Nov-10-21 | | RookFile: Karpov tried to be a hero by going for 6-0. If he had to do it all over again he'd start going all out for that 6th win every single time, even if he had to lose a couple of games. That's better than the 14 straight draws and total exhaustion. By today's standards just the draw series alone is comparable to a Carlsen match. |
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Nov-11-21
| | perfidious: Long ago, Pfleger wrote of how Karpov might well have chosen that approach, rather than falling in with his opponent's intentions and taking all sorts of quick draws. |
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Dec-03-23
 | | Sally Simpson: For my bedtime reading I'm going through again 'Unlimited Challenge.' Kasparov's Biography published in 1987. Page 116 and Gary is talking the Moscow Marathon (actually a fair chunk of the book is taken up with the 'Moscow Marathon.) He writes; 'Who will remember in ten or twenty years why our match was stopped.' We are still going on about it Gary, 36 years later! Earlier in the book (page 71) Gary is talking about how having a good memory is essential to a strong chess player. Of course the memory feats of Harry Pillsbury are mention except in the book he is called; 'Harry Pillsburg.' |
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Jul-22-24
 | | Chessmaletaja: If you want to improve your chess, you should carefully analyze and memorize all these 48 games. (!) The most idiotic match ever.
I believe Campomanes made the right decision.
I also believe that the arbiter had to disqualify Fischer from the Spassky/Fischer match despite that Spassky did not want it. |
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Jul-22-24
| | perfidious: < Chessmaletaja: If you want to improve your chess, you should carefully analyze and memorize all these 48 games. (!)....> I'll get right on that.
<....I believe Campomanes made the right decision....> It would have embarrassing if he had let play carry on and Karpov had actually lost the match. |
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Jul-22-24
| | Joshka: Most of these games were of course pre-arranged draws to demonstrate to the public that Fischer's proposals of draws not counting would not be workable. So memorize if you want to, I'd prefer to memorize REAL games;-) |
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Jul-22-24
| | perfidious: <joshie>, save your conspiracy theories for the Rogovian miasma. |
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| Jul-22-24 | | Petrosianic: <Joshka: Most of these games were of course pre-arranged draws to demonstrate to the public that Fischer's proposals of draws not counting would not be workable.> In fact, NONE of those games are known, or even generally suspected of being pre-arranged. Joshka has devoted his whole life to rewriting
Fischer's history with deliberately counter-factual, history-rewriting claims to fool the unwary, and the last time I caught him doing it, he actually took the position that nothing he said could be considered a lie even if he knew it was untrue when he said it (!). Caveat emptor is always true, but especially so with Joshka. |
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Jul-23-24
| | perfidious: <Petrosianic.... Joshka has devoted his whole life to rewriting Fischer's history with deliberately counter-factual, history-rewriting claims to fool the unwary, and the last time I caught him doing it, he actually took the position that nothing he said could be considered a lie even if he knew it was untrue when he said it (!)....> Such efforts fall flat when there are those of us about who expose such efforts as the lies they are. |
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Jul-30-24
| | Joshka: Many GM's/IM's have commented that it was very heard to even draw Fischer. Spassky of course found out as all he had to do was draw every game and he would have retained the title!! Cavett made comment of this in an interview, as to wouldn't Spassky just draw every game to win? Fischer flatly stated, "Sure he would, but I'm not going to let him";-) |
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Jul-30-24
| | Joshka: Also folks, Fisher was planning on writing a book that goes into details about all the prearrangements that took place during this match. But during the Bekins heist, the notes were conveniently, stolen. Some books and notes were returned, but not THOSE!!! |
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Jul-30-24
 | | keypusher: <Joshka: Also folks, Fisher was planning on writing a book that goes into details about all the prearrangements that took place during this match. But during the Bekins heist, the notes were conveniently, stolen. Some books and notes were returned, but not THOSE!!!> Any theory can be saved if you have enough epicycles. |
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| Jan-31-25 | | ColdSong: Very impressed by Kasparov's defensive talent in this first match. |
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