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Jul-23-14
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  john barleycorn: Guys, Pele, Maradonna, Messi?

Ever heard of the Garrincha of the "Ruhrpott".

"Nobody can bypass Jesus" - "Except Libuda".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS4E...

Jul-23-14
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  KKDEREK: <They all say that Garrincha, Ronaldo, Tostao were better players.>

Wrong.And a lie. Tostao and Ronaldo themselves already acknowledged Pele greatness..And Gerson, Zico, Zagallo..

sheesh!

Jul-23-14  MarkFinan: Kebab 😄
Jul-23-14
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  KKDEREK: <harry>

Boring Pele:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=953...

:p

Enjoy. As I always say, love the game, respect the players. Ignore the buffoons.

Jul-23-14  MarkFinan: <As I always say, love the game, respect the players. Ignore the buffoons>

Show me once where you said that before?? Always!? ALWAYS?? LOL 😄 Dude, you go from chessgames to twitter to stalk me *so* as I always say..... "Hi. I'm Pele and I scored 65981000 goals in 8 games over 2 years... Would you like to buy some viagra tablets?? ".

Jul-23-14
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  KKDEREK: Whatta nutcase...lol
Jul-23-14
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  harrylime: Jeez guys .. Pele was awesome and thanks for the vid <KKD> !

Maradona was also awesome ...

It's like apples and oranges ffs !

Let it go and appreciate both players genius.

Jul-23-14  MarkFinan: Okay then Hazzard.. Kasparov or Fischer?
Jul-23-14
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  john barleycorn: <harry> never give up !!!! Lol

https://image-store.slidesharecdn.c...

Jul-23-14
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  KKDEREK: The Raconteurs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5m...

Jul-23-14
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  HeMateMe: People born with tails. Kind of strange.

<http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/...>

Jul-24-14
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  KKDEREK: <hmm> just checked now your earlier reply. Some bad blood indeed it seems.

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/beat...

im not so familiarized with best drumming, but He can't be much worse than ringo. might had been some personal issue.

Jul-24-14
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  john barleycorn: stop googling - just marry

https://image-store.slidesharecdn.c...

Jul-24-14
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  HeMateMe: <kk> interesting stuff, most definitely. He was on the Howard stern show in the mid 80s doing an interview. He mentioned that after getting shid canned by the Beatles he had jointed the Curtis all stars group, and the two groups were together with other bands, either on a tv show, or on tour somewhere.

standing backstage while the other acts were on, Best said "We were close enough to touch each other, just as you and I are standing here now. They didn't say one word to me."

Lennon said "We were cowards. We left it to Eppie [Brian Epstein] to tell Pete he'd be sacked."

I've never bought in to the conflicts issue, for Best getting thrown out of the group. Lennon and McCartney were even then too serious about music to sack a good drummer over personalities. It came down to the only label, Decca, that was willing to record the Beatles, but only without Pete Best. Adios.

That fact that he never caught on successfully with other groups and quit music kind of reinforces that idea.

A lot of luck, in music. Pete Townshend said "I felt I was the best player in every group I was in but was kicked out of several groups before finding the High Numbers" [with Datltrey and Entwhistle]. Can you imagine, Pete Townshend getting fired?

Jul-24-14
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  Travis Bickle: Prime of Life - Neil Young
http://youtu.be/UQmHHttYX0U
Jul-24-14
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  Travis Bickle: Downtown - Neil Young
http://youtu.be/SJu6bYhSgvQ
Jul-24-14  diceman: <Travis Bickle: Downtown - Neil Young>

Downtown - Petula Clark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx06...

Jul-24-14
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  Karposian: <HMM> <I've never bought in to the conflicts issue, for Best getting thrown out of the group. Lennon and McCartney were even then too serious about music to sack a good drummer over personalities.>

I've never bought into the conflicts issue either. I think the sacking had more to do with the fact that Best didn't fit well into the group dynamics. The other Beatles guys were witty and exuberant while Best was a more introvert character. Ringo was a better fit that way.

<It came down to the only label, Decca, that was willing to record the Beatles, but only without Pete Best.>

The Beatles did audition for Decca Records but Decca actually turned them down afterwards (an historic mistake, famously stating that "Guitar groups are on the way out").

They went on to sign for EMI and George Martin instead. It's true that Martin was not impressed With Best's drumming, but in fact he wasn't particularly impressed With Ringo either. He therefore hired a session musician (Andy White) for the recording of the first single 'Love Me Do'.

Jul-24-14
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  waustad: There is now some web presence for the 2014 Sinquefield Cup: http://saintlouischessclub.org/2014...

I hope they have some sort of hotel/tournament packages again. An optional Cardinal's ticket might be a nice add in, though they may be scarce. St Louis is a serious baseball town.

Jul-24-14
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  waustad: The Cardinals would be at home playing the Cubs and Pirates during the tournament.
Jul-24-14
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  KKDEREK: <The other Beatles guys were witty and exuberant while Best was a more introvert character. Ringo was a better fit that way.>

I tend to agree with that line as well I read a couple of Beatles books, and never found anything about that indicates some personal problems among them..Yes Best was a Mod, Marlon Brando motorcycle style, and the others were err..a bunch of jolly happy boys (?), or something like that, but anyway, different. heh

It seems anyway that he still get some profits from Beatles (at least get laid, lol). I'm happy he found peace. Didn't knew he got <that> depressed (attempted suicide and so forth). I'm not a huge fan of Ringo anyway..

http://www.petebest.com/

Jul-24-14  MarkFinan: The English Beatles who conquered the world ey? Love them. 😄
Jul-24-14
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  Karposian: <KKDEREK> <It seems anyway that he still get some profits from Beatles (at least get laid, lol).>

LOL. Yeah, and I know that he finally received some money when the Anthology series were released in the '90s. That is because he played on some of the songs on Anthology 1 (Decca and Parlophone sessions).

Jul-24-14
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  HeMateMe: Lennon was Best's best friend, in the Beatles. They were both "teddies", guys with leather jackets trying to be tough.

If the personality conflicts you mention above were real, why wouldn't Best have been kicked out after a road trip in Hamburg? It seems highly coincidental that Best just happened to get booted out after the lads finally get signed to a recording contract.

If anyone would have kicked out Best based on karma or "cuteness", it would have been their manager, Brian Epstein. He was a showbiz vet and would be aware of one guy sinking the boat due to bad chemistry. He kept it hidden from the public that Lennon was married, because it always played better that the four young musicians were single and eligible.

The Rolling Stones did the same with Ian Stewart, a boogie woogie pianist who was an early, sixth member of the stones, when they were really playing American blues a lot. When they suddenly became Fab four type rock idols they realized that the chubby, flat top Stewart just didn't fit the proper stage image, and they gave him the job of manager.

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L96B...>

Re--music talents, I'm pretty sure it's true that McCartney wanted Stu Sutcliffe out, because PM was a much better bassist, and Stu was a mediocre, disinterested musician. Sutcliffe was friends with Lennon, who wanted him to stay.

Jul-24-14
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  Travis Bickle: <diceman: <Travis Bickle: Downtown - Neil Young> Downtown - Petula Clark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx06... Yo diceman, I think Neil had a different song in mind... ; P

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