|Jan-06-04|| ||talchess2003: very neat. it took a little while for me to solve this puzzle, as it didn't immediately sink in that black could trap the queen when white has that much space on the queenside. But of course, with only two black pieces on the board, it was obvious that Bxf2+ would be the natural solution, the difficulty was in trapping the queen. |
id bet most of us would miss this if it was not flagged. In a puzzle, its not very hard, everyone knows that its going to be Bxf2+. But in a game, most players would just go on developing..
|Jan-06-04|| ||pilot: Haha the Queen! I just been searching for forced mates. But I supposed winning the queen for 2 bishops is just like winning the game too. |
|Jan-06-04|| ||patzer2: Nice! Deflection + Trapped Queen + Knight Fork (or Defelction + Deflection + Knight Fork) = win. Of course Black had to calculate the mate after 9. Kg1 Qb6+ and the knight fork after 9. Kf1 as two side variations. |
|Jan-06-04|| ||patzer2: Better than 5. Nbd2?! is 5. Bg2 as in
Kiril Georgiev vs Ponomariov, 2002 and Gelfand vs Aronian, 2003
|Jan-06-04|| ||ossolinskm: isnt this game an example of catalan: closed? |
|Jan-06-04|| ||strobane: What if white plays 8. Kf1? |
|Jan-06-04|| ||Catfriend: <strobane> 8..Ng4
still better for white than the move in the game
|Jan-06-04|| ||thesonicvision: heh...i actually missed this one.
i wasn't thinking about queen traps.
|Jan-06-04|| ||Lawrence: strobane and Catfriend, after 8.♔f1 Junior 8 prefers the bugout route 8.....♗c5 9.♕c2 eval -1.9, after 8.♔f1 ♘g4 comes 9.♕a4+ ♗d7 10.♕a3 ♘a6 eval -1.73 Black's ahead in both cases but hasn't won the game yet.|
|Jan-06-04|| ||kevin86: If seen this type of problem thousands of times;the trick to this one is trapping the white queen on the queenside-the rest is cut and dried|
8 ♔f1 ♘e3+ forks king and queen and 8 ♔g1 ♕b6+ forces mate
|Jan-06-04|| ||trguitar: White's moves 6. dxc5? and 7. Bg2?? killed him. If he'd played 7. Qa4+, he still would have been ok, though, I think. |
|Jan-06-04|| ||patzer2: <ossolinskm> If White had played the more popular 5. Bg2, it would have been a Catalan, Open variation. As it is with the dubious 5. Nbd2?! (or maybe 5. Nbd2!? is interesting), it's hard to classify. Perhaps that's why ChessGames.Com has it as a miscellaneous Queen's Pawn Game. |
|Jan-06-04|| ||patzer2: Maybe 5. Nbd2!? is not as bad as I first thought, but it does give Black a slight advantage with best play. Fritz 8 did a little analysis and found Black gets a slightly better position after 5...Qd5 or 5...b5 or 5...c5 (as in the game).|
Better are the two most popular options <5. Bg2> (see two links above for sample games) or <5. Qa4+> as in Ulf Andersson vs V Milov, 1997
|Jan-06-04|| ||patzer2: <trguitar> <White's moves 6. dxc5? and 7. Bg2?? killed him> I think you are essentially correct. I don't know know if I agree that 6. dxc5 deserves a (?)as a bad move, but I will agree it was probably not the best option here.|
If White had played <6. Nxc4> instead he could have survived and kept Black's advantage to a slight one with good chances of equalizing.
You are correct that <7.Qa4+!> would have kept White alive, though Black may have had a slightly better position after 7. Qa4+ Bd7 8. Qxc4 Qb6 9. e3 Bc6 10. a3 Nbd7.
|Jan-06-04|| ||Lawrence: kevin86, how do you manage to get your Knight from f6 to e3 in one mighty stride like that? |
|Jan-06-04|| ||Shadout Mapes: I think kevin86 simply accidentily typed 8 instead of 9.|
I saw the combination, and guessed that was it because after the queen moves black grabs the bishop, but I didn't see that the queen was trapped.
|Jan-07-04|| ||tarami: very pretty. Such a keen eye and keen mind! Easy to miss such a scenario, if at all noticeable... After Ng4--- forces mate if Kg1, whereas Kf1 or Ke1 snares the queen on the OTHER SIDE of the board.. Penrose must have very good peripheral vision! |
|Jan-07-04|| ||Lawrence: kevin86, Shadout Mapes and tarami, I must repeat what I said yesterday: 8.♔f1 ♘g4 9.♕a4+ ♗d7 10.♕a3 ♘a6. There is no mate and the Queen does not get trapped. |
|Aug-08-10|| ||JimmyVermeer: <patzer2>, Viswanathan Anand would agree with you about 5 Bg2. He played it 3 times against Topalov in the 2010 World Championship match, winning twice and drawing once with it.|
By the way, I am curious what it means when chessgames.com gives the location of the game as "It". I used to think it stood for Interzonal Tournament, but I looked up some information on interzonal tournaments and couldn't find any players with these names.
|Aug-08-10|| ||ughaibu: I think it was the British championship, and the year looks wrong.|
|Dec-10-11|| ||GrahamClayton: <ughaibu>I think it was the British championship, and the year looks wrong|
This game was played in Round 9 of the 1950 British Championship at Buxton.
|Dec-10-11|| ||ughaibu: Okay, thanks.|
|Nov-23-13|| ||Nosnibor: <GrahamClayton> This game was actually played in round 10 of the 1950 British Championship at Buxton. In round 9 Veitch beat Golombek in a very nice game playing a Gruenfeld!He finished 7th equal with Barden and A.R.B Thomas gaining 6.5 points from 11 games,ahead of Abrahams,Golombek,Phillips,Berger,Winter,Fazekas-