|Dec-11-03|| ||xu fei: If it were not for Huzman vs Kasparov, 2003 I probably would not have seen 14.Rxd7. |
|Dec-11-03|| ||rochade18: Nice miniature. After Rxd7 the black queen leaves the Nf6 unprotected and White is going to win with Bxf6 and Dxg7. Only Ne8 losing the queen would prevent from mate, I think... |
|Dec-11-03|| ||MoonlitKnight: And who said fianchettos were bad for king safety? Thanks to the white bishop, there are no back rank mate threats for black. Oh, that's right, black gets mated himself because of his kingside fianchetto. |
|Dec-11-03|| ||ughaibu: The story circulating at the time of this game was that one of Plaskett's rivals noticed this trap and suggested e6 to one of Plaskett's friends, this friend then innocently suggested it to Plaskett who, after a little consideration, said "I like that move". The game was played in a simultaneous display shortly after Romanishin had made a tournament appearance at (I think) Hastings. |
|Dec-11-03|| ||patzer2: Romanashin's sacrifice of the Knight for two black pawns was far from a forced win, since Black should have avoided the 13...e6?? blunder. After 13...d6 Black actually has a slight advantage according to Fritz 8. Also satisfactory options according to Fritz were 13...Rb8, 13...Rc8, 13...a6 or 13...Ne8.|
For those interested, the Fritz analysis of its first choice goes 13...d6 14. Bxf6 exf6 15. Qd2 f5 16. Nc3 f4 17. gxf4 Qh4 18. Rac1 Rfe8 (-0.59 @ 13/39 depth & 712kN/s).
|Dec-11-03|| ||Jack21221: The overworked piece, gotta love it. |
|Dec-11-03|| ||fred lennox: Kind of odd seeing a 14 move game with 4 fianchetto bishops. That's 8 moves right there. |
|Dec-11-03|| ||ughaibu: If you're going to count the fianchettos as eight moves then it's a twenty seven move game. |
|Dec-11-03|| ||patzer2: Looks like the second time this week we've explored an early Black ...b6 in the English.|
With 2. Nf3, White avoids going into the 2. Nc3 lines discussed in Miles vs J Garcia-Padron, 1977 White's 2. Nf6 is actually the more popular option ( 1. c4 Nf6 2. Nf6) with the move being played in 8,140 games in the ChessGames.Com database with a 34.7% White winning percentage. The alternative 2. Nc6 (1. C4 Nf6 2. Nc3) was played in 4,376 games with a 40.8% White winning percentage.
Perhaps 2. Nf6 is more popular in this English sequence because it gives White more flexible options than 2. Nc3 and also because Black's winning percentage is slightly worse in the 2. Nf6 line (black winning 19%) than in the 2. Nc3 line (black winning 20.4%).
However, after 1. c4 Nf6 2. Nc3 b3 3. g3 White's winning percentage drops to 25.8% versus 17.6% for Black (56.6% draws) as played in 562 games. Still, this looks like a very playalbe sequence for Black.
Perhaps a better opening option for Black's third move was 3...c5, which won for Black in the recent Super GM games Akopian vs Judit Polgar, 2003 and Gelfand vs Kramnik, 2003
However, the immediate 3...Bb7 seems OK for black as in the recent GM game M Kobalia vs V Babula, 2003 where Black got an easy game and the better of the draw.
So, what is my conclusion so far about the early ...b6 in the English? It would seem that Black should have good chances with the move in the sequences 1. c4 Nf6 2. Nf6 b6 3. g3 c5 (or 3...Bb7) or 1. c4 Nf6 2. Nc3 e6 3. Nf3 b6. However, against 1. c4 Nf6 2. Nf3 e6 3. e4 b6?! as in Miles vs J Garcia-Padron, 1977 (see link above) it is weak.
As a generalization, the early 2...b6 or 3...b6 seems to give Black more in the 2. Nf3 lines than in the 2. Nc3 lines of the English, although there are exceptions.
|Dec-11-03|| ||talchess2003: I wonder what Fritz would say if after 12. Nxg5 hxg5 13. Qxg5 Na5.|
How is white to continue his attack? I don't see anything immediate after 14. Bh3 d6 15. Bf5 Re8. Did white rely on 13.. e6? Also, a rook lift would be a little difficult... Although what would be very interesting is
12. Nxg5 hxg5 13. Qxg5 Na5 14. Bxb7 Nxb7 15. Rd4!? Nh7 16. Qxg7+!?
|Dec-11-03|| ||Chessical: A Kavalek game shows one way to equality here:
<13...Ne8> 14.Bxg7 Nxg7 15.Nc3 d6 16.Nd5 f6 17.Qh4 Qd7 18.Bh3 f5 19.e4 Kf7 20.Bg2 Rh8 Garcia Gonzales-Kavalek, Linares 1981. Kavalek won this game.
|Dec-11-03|| ||waddayaplay: < patzer2 > It would help if someone were to post WHY this opening is not good for black.
With his eight move, black does surrender the center. But couldn't he have played 8...d5? Or 8...d6 with a later e5? Or maybe 8...Qc7? |
|Dec-11-03|| ||waddayaplay: But... white's piece sacrifice on g5 is forced, and if it isn't sound then black might not be so bad out of the opening. |
|Dec-11-03|| ||talchess2003: No.. I mean white's idea of Qh4. If he didn't see black's response of g5 when he made that move his rating is clearly inflated. So when playing 10... Qh4 he committed himself to that line. |
|Dec-11-03|| ||Eggman: <It would help if someone were to post WHY this opening is not good for black.>|
Who has suggested this opening is not good for Black?
<With his eight move, black does surrender the center.>
Trading a wing pawn for center pawn doesn't constitute a surrender of the center, and "surrendering" the center is not in any rate a bad thing, though it was considered to be so about 100 years ago.
|Dec-11-03|| ||jaime gallegos: I concord wit Xu Fei 14. Rxd7 reminds me the game Huzman vs Kasparov, 2003 (1-0) when Garry blundered and did the move (thanks again Chessical )20...Bc8 ??? |
|Dec-11-03|| ||Eggman: Incidentally, although Black is obviously lost, it seems not unreasonable (especially for club players) to continue with 14...Nh5 15.Rxd8 Raxd8, fighting on with a Rook and Knight against a Queen and three pawns. Of course it's resignable, but I would play on for a bit, if only to avoid having to resign on move 14. |
|Dec-11-03|| ||Eggman: Actually, cancel that, it looks like simply 16.g4 would be devastating. |
|Apr-26-05|| ||Autoreparaturwerkbau: <fred lennox>, <ughaibu> nice little chat about the number of moves :) Of course, ughaibu has the edge...|
|Feb-06-10|| ||whiteshark: It must have inspired Plaskett to write <Can you be a tactical chess genius?>|