May-17-04
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| LIFE Master AJ: An intersting chess game ... where did the young wunderkind go wrong? |
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May-17-04
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| Chessical: I suggest that Carlsen lost this game by trying too hard to win a drawn ending. He is obviously well prepared in the opening, as he follows Kramnik-Kasparov from the 1996 Kremlin PCA rapid-play tournament until his 14th move. There Kasparov played: <14...Rb8> 15.Bxg7 Kxg7 16.Re2 Rb7 17.a3 Nd4 18.Nxd4 Qxd4 with a draw in 29 moves. I do not know if <14...Qd7> is inspiration or a home improvement, but it does not seem to make any real difference to the general balance of the position. Instead of Carlsen's <29...Kh6>, what is wrong with the simple <29...Rf7> as 30.Rxf7+ Kxf7 31.fxg4 Ke6 32.Kg3 Ke5, seems to me to be a drawn K+P ending? Instead, an optimistic Carlsen keeps pushing for more, and after <30...c4> he creates weak pawns which Rozentalis consumes. I do not see how Carlsen could have held this ending. |
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May-17-04
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| LIFE Master AJ: <Reply to Chessical>
You obviously have done some homework to find that other game. Not using a computer, but here goes. 29...Rf7? must lose to a trade of Rooks - an outside passed Pawn usually will win any K+P ending. Black was already in deep kim-chi before ...c4. In fact, Black may well be lost long before this move. (I didn't like it when Carlsen played ...h5; if this was forced, then Black already had a bad game.) I do agree with you on one point though. I doubt that ...Qd7; seriously upset the balance of the overall position at that point. |
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May-17-04
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| acirce: Nope, it sure _looks_ like White should win that pawn endgame, but I recall that we analysed it before and it is probably a draw. For example Chessical's <30.Rxf7+ Kxf7 31.fxg4 Ke6 32.Kg3 Ke5> or 32. h5 Kf7! |
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May-17-04
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| Chessical: I cannot see an actual winning line for White after <29...Rf7 30.Rxf7+ Kxf7 31.fxg4 Ke6 32.Kg3 Ke5>. For instance: <33.Kf3> f5 34.gxf5 Kxf5 35.Kg3 g5 36.hxg5 Kxg5 37.Kf3 Kf5 38.Ke2 Ke5 39.Kd2 Kd5 40.a4 a5 41.c4 |
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May-18-04
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| LIFE Master AJ: <Chessical>
No engine, comp times, etc? |
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| May-18-04 |
| clocked: <Chessical> after 32.Kg3 Ke5 White can try 33.h5 where both sides will queen. Instead black can just play 32. ... f5 |
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May-18-04
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| Chessical: <Clocked> After <29...Rf7 30.Rxf7+ Kxf7 31.fxg4 Ke6 32.Kg3 Ke5> your move <33.h5!!> is extremely strong, and I think winning: 33...gxh5 34.gxh5 Kf5 <35.Kf3!> (I overlooked this) Kg5 36.Ke4 f5+ 37.Ke5 f4 38.h6 f3 39.h7 f2 40.h8Q f1Q; is much better for White, and I hope somewhat similar to the line that you have in mind. I agree that <black can just play 32...f5!> with a draw. <LifeMaster> My previous analysis was not computer generated, which is probably why it had a hole in it. |
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May-19-04
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| LIFE Master AJ: <Chessical>
I set up the K+P engine, and having just received the new Hiarcs program in the mail, spent about 10-15 minutes with your K+P ending. (I did not save the work, but most assuredly that ending is lost for Black.) |
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| May-19-04 |
| clocked: and so it is written? please show the win |
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May-19-04
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| ughaibu: Chessgames.com: Cant see this one on Sjkbase. |
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May-19-04
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| Chessical: <LifeMasterAJ> Please can you post your analysis. I have wracked my brains, but I cannot find a way through for White in the K+P endgame after <Clocked>'s 32...f5. For instance: <29...Rf7 30.Rxf7+ Kxf7 31.fxg4 Ke6 32.Kg3 f5> 33.h5 <g5> 34.Kf3 f4 35.Ke4 Kf6 36.a4 Ke6 37.a5 a6 38.Kf3 Kf6 = or:
<33.Kf4> fxg4 34.Kxg4 Kf6 35.Kf4 a6 36.a4 a5 37.Ke4 Ke6 = |
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May-21-04
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| Chessical: Re <having just received the new Hiarcs program in the mail...most assuredly that ending is lost for Black> - can anyone confirm this? |
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May-21-04
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| crafty: 29... f7 30. xf7+  xf7 31. fxg4 e6 32. g3 f5 33. gxf5+ = (eval 0.00; depth 19 ply; 2000M nodes) |
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May-28-04
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| LIFE Master AJ: <Reply>
I was working on this ending ... I was even thinking of annotating this game and posting it on the Internet. I had a computer crash this past weekend ... and lost tons of data. <again> All my key files were backed up on floppies or even CD-ROM ... unfortunately this was not one of them. <sigh> There is some good news however. I have been running a patchwork quilt for a long time, those days are over. My new box is very high end. For beginner's the 'Antec' case - WITHOUT a power supply - cost $279. I have a very good motherboard, 3.4 GHz INTEL Pentium IV main processor, (no more AMD's for me!); over 1.5 GB of RAM, a fairly good video card with 132 MB of RAM on the graphics card itself, DVD player, (NOT a burner); etc. I actually wanted to get more stuff, like a memory system, a CD-burner to back-up key ChessBase files, etc, but was ubale to do it all at once. (Cost prevented me from getting too many extras.) Maybe ... when I get done installing software and getting back up to speed, I can take another look at this game. |
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