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Joshua Waitzkin vs Edward A Frumkin
"Heaven Can Waitzkin" (game of the day Jan-26-05)
Open (1987)  ·  Sicilian Defense: Four Knights Variation (B40)  ·  1-0
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Aug-03-08  akapovsky: waitzkin actually called his dad to see his winnig combination and frumkin played along until # since it was the first master he did beat
Oct-11-08  afterbirth: I wonder if it was hubris which allowed Frumkin to be defeated here. He may have just thought this kid was going for a hasty and ill coordinated kingside attack. Josh seems to have just lost one of his rooks while attempting to better position the other. Maybe Frumkin thought it was a blunder by Josh in his haste to put together that kingside attack. But after 25 ...Nxd1 it was all a forced variation to mate. So Frumkin probably wouldn't have been suckered into that queen sacrifice if he wasn't forced to capture it. But he sealed his fate on the previous move. Heck of a finish by Josh here.
Oct-11-08  AnalyzeThis: The bishop to b4 to a5 to c7 idea was just terrible.
Oct-11-08
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  Shams: <AnalyzeThis> yeah. also 8. Qc7 is much better than ...Bd7. Josh screwed up the opening, then his opponent returned the favor. It is a pretty finish though.

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Mar-01-09  WhiteRook48: what are you Frumskin?
Mar-29-09
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  Eisenheim: must comment on this exciting ending, since I was overly critical of the other game i was reviewing today. great sac
Jul-05-09  WhiteRook48: Black is some patzer
Aug-21-09  tagbay: It's a very nice game and a very creative.

JW could be a world champion and fischer's heir.. sadly he lost the love of the game

Nov-04-09  Everett: He did what he wanted. Nothing wrong with stopping at IM. Also nothing wrong with not becoming obsessed with the game. Some of you kibitz like you're mourning a death.
Dec-14-09  shishio71: This is a beautiful sacrifice and mate, but that many moves ahead?? It almost makes my head spin
Feb-07-10  coldfusion700: <tagbay: It's a very nice game and a very creative.

JW could be a world champion and fischer's heir.. sadly he lost the love of the game> He switched to tai chi and other forms of martial arts, which is sad for the chess community since he was so talented and could have been a world champion.

<Everett: He did what he wanted. Nothing wrong with stopping at IM. Also nothing wrong with not becoming obsessed with the game. Some of you kibitz like you're mourning a death.> I agree that there's nothing wrong since he did what he wanted, but it is still saddening for the chess community for such a chess talent to stop at that level. It is also saddening just as the case when Morphy left chess abruptly.

Feb-07-10  coldfusion700: Anyway, Waitzkin might not a GM, but... he is WORLD CHAMPION OF TAI CHI CHUAN!! Just beats me for he is such a multi-talented person. We should still be happy for him even if he left chess.
Oct-04-10
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  sevenseaman: The cause of the embarrassment? Frumkin must have had something in mind when he moved .. 22. Kh8. There was no follow up move, he just went to some wasteful activity on Q side. Was he complacent on a/c of his opponent's age or just lacked a plan?
Oct-07-10  jmactas: <sevenseaman The cause of the embarrassment? Frumkin must have had something in mind when he moved .. 22. Kh8. There was no follow up move, he just went to some wasteful activity on Q side. Was he complacent on a/c of his opponent's age or just lacked a plan?> 22. ...Kh8 was done to prevent 23. Bf6 leading to forced mate. He didn't really have a plan, his pieces were kind of walled off from the defense of his king.
Nov-15-10
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  sevenseaman: <jmactas> Thanks. What I had in mind was a move like Rg8 and Ba6 at some stage instead of gallivanting around with his N.

Capturing a redundant R is not relevant to the immediacy of the defense that was upon him ever since White went in with the minority attack.

One of the best games I've come across, nonetheless.

Jun-03-11
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  wordfunph: Waitzkin-Frumkin

after 25.Re3


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giving away the d1 rook and Josh delivered checkmate after 6 moves. Impressive.

Jun-06-11  Llawdogg: Wow! This guy was great! And his movie wasn't bad either.
Jun-06-11
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  FSR: This is Josh's immortal game. I remember his father Fred Waitzkin writing in his (stupidly titled) book about the excitement he and other onlookers felt during the game.
Sep-02-11
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  LIFE Master AJ: Pretty game ...

<FSR> I am sure that you realize that Fred W. prolly did not choose the title of the book ... publisher's often change manuscripts, especially titles ...

My hunch, but I am nearly certain that I am right here. (I have read about similar cases.)

Sep-02-11
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  LIFE Master AJ: Looked up Josh on the USCF website ... only goes to early 1990's ...

would be interested to know PRE-TOURNAMENT USCF ratings of both players ...

Sep-06-11
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  FSR: It would be interesting to know what was going through Frumkin's head. Did he not see the queen sac? Even though his opponent was a little kid, it should have been pretty obvious that he was setting up Qxg7+.
Apr-25-12  edcion: at 27 Kh6 would have saved him
Apr-26-12
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  FSR: <edcion: at 27 Kh6 would have saved him>

27...Kh6 would be met by 28.Rh3+ Kg6 29.Rg3+. Now 29...Kh6 30.Bg7+ transposes to the game, and 29...Kh5 is met by 30.Rg5+ Kh4 (30...Kh6 31.Bg7#) 31.Nf3#.

Apr-26-12
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  FSR: It still boggles my mind that Frumkin didn't see what Waitzkin was up to. 25.Re3 wasn't exactly subtle. If Frumkin had followed Kotov's recommendation to "Play Like a Patzer" and ask himself what Waitzkin was threatening, he wouldn't have fallen for 25...Nxd1??
Aug-22-12  southeuro: Edward Pumpkin is quite a patzer indeed.
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