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Joshua Waitzkin vs Edward A Frumkin
"Heaven Can Waitzkin" (game of the day Jan-26-05)
Open 1987  ·  Sicilian Defense: Four Knights Variation (B40)  ·  1-0


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Oct-02-06
Premium Chessgames Member
  Dres1: Hey.. i played this Frumkin fella a couple of weeks ago.. the game ended in a pretty exciting draw :)
Nov-06-06   Notgudinov: I would like to find out the exact date of this game and Frumkin's rating at the time. Thanks for any help.
Nov-12-06   hamworld: Hey, guess what? I just happenend to find this game in one of the Chessmaster 10th edition tutorials in "Josh's Academy"( I probably forgot Waitzkin).
Nov-16-06   hamworld: By the way, Frumkin is a life-time U.S Master. Just in case you didn't know... Or was
Nov-16-06   dbquintillion: <hamworld> is that the same thing as a UCSF Life Master?
Nov-24-06
Premium Chessgames Member
  ToTheDeath: <I can't believe a 10 year made this move and he turned out to be just an IM.>

Rashid Nezhmetdinov, one of the most brilliant attacking players of all time (see his victories over Bronstein, Spassky, Geller, Polugaevsky, Tal) was also "just an IM."

Your statement is ignorant, and quite frankly insulting to IMs.

Nov-24-06
Premium Chessgames Member
  JointheArmy: ^He was just trying to say he could have gone further in chess as we all could.

So quit trolling on posts posted almost 2 years ago.

Nov-24-06   MaxxLange: classic example of underestimating a lower rated opponent
Nov-25-06
Premium Chessgames Member
  ToTheDeath: <He was just trying to say he could have gone further in chess as we all could.>

An IM title is no small accomplishment, and calling someone "just an IM" is inflammatory, whether intented or not.

<So quit trolling on posts posted almost 2 years ago.>

I'll respond to any comments I care to, thank you very much. This isn't a chat room, and older kibitzes are brought up all the time.

Nov-25-06   letekro: <Notgudinov> I don't know the exact date of this game or Frumkin's rating, but I can tell you that I played Frumkin in August 1986 and his rating at the time was 2213. I would guess he was still in the low 2200's at the time of this game.
Nov-25-06
Premium Chessgames Member
  JointheArmy: <An IM title is no small accomplishment, and calling someone "just an IM" is inflammatory, whether intented or not.>

Your missing his point. He was praising Waitzkin's play, not taking shots at him. You called his post ignornant, which it was not and your acting like a troll whether you intended to or not.

Also in Nezhmetdinov's day the IM title was alot more respectable whether you like it or not. Today GM titles are so devalued from what they once were you can purchase them. Look at Short's article on how they should be revoked.

Oct-01-07   Floyd5642: Hey, JointheArmy, do you have a link to that?
Dec-17-07   porgue: < blingice: As soon as someone VERY intentionally sacs their against you and continues check check check is probably beating you. >

maybe perpetual check forced draw???

(but of course not in this game, what a way to win!)

Jan-21-08   mikecy: Joshua is a prodigy, once someone is a positional player immediately will realise how Joshua attacks with his pawns, end game is a masteriece Qxg7...
Jan-29-08   jovack: Great finish. This was annotated by Waitzkin on Chessmaster.
Apr-26-08   Pianoplayer: 26Qxg7+!!
Aug-03-08   akapovsky: waitzkin actually called his dad to see his winnig combination and frumkin played along until # since it was the first master he did beat
Oct-11-08   afterbirth: I wonder if it was hubris which allowed Frumkin to be defeated here. He may have just thought this kid was going for a hasty and ill coordinated kingside attack. Josh seems to have just lost one of his rooks while attempting to better position the other. Maybe Frumkin thought it was a blunder by Josh in his haste to put together that kingside attack. But after 25 ...Nxd1 it was all a forced variation to mate. So Frumkin probably wouldn't have been suckered into that queen sacrifice if he wasn't forced to capture it. But he sealed his fate on the previous move. Heck of a finish by Josh here.
Oct-11-08   AnalyzeThis: The bishop to b4 to a5 to c7 idea was just terrible.
Oct-11-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  Shams: <AnalyzeThis> yeah. also 8. Qc7 is much better than ...Bd7. Josh screwed up the opening, then his opponent returned the favor. It is a pretty finish though.

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Mar-01-09   WhiteRook48: what are you Frumskin?
Mar-29-09
Premium Chessgames Member
  Eisenheim: must comment on this exciting ending, since I was overly critical of the other game i was reviewing today. great sac
Jul-05-09   WhiteRook48: Black is some patzer
Aug-21-09   tagbay: It's a very nice game and a very creative.

JW could be a world champion and fischer's heir.. sadly he lost the love of the game

Nov-04-09   Everett: He did what he wanted. Nothing wrong with stopping at IM. Also nothing wrong with not becoming obsessed with the game. Some of you kibitz like you're mourning a death.
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