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|May-24-05|| ||ottohill: The game could end like this: 8... g6 9. Ng7+ Kf8 10. Qh6 Ng4 11. Ne6+ Ke8 12. Qf8+ Rf8 13. Ng7++. Of course, 10...Kg8 would avoid this variation.|
|May-24-05|| ||EinZweiDrei: Delicious.|
|May-24-05|| ||Halldor: A spectacular pinning! Still I must confess that it took me quite a while to see that the knight could go to e6... Then I found the continuation 8. Ne6! g6 <8...Ng6 9. Nxd8 is curtain at once; also 8...Nf3+ 9. gxf3 g6 10. Qe5 is a clear win for White, Black is also way behind in development> 9. Qxe5 and Black can't survive the heavy loss of material.|
|May-24-05|| ||farrooj: very elegant, nice use for the pin.
Although rather easy...
|May-24-05|| ||bassplayer: Took me a minute to see it. I checked for a sacrifice first. Still fun and instructive.|
|May-24-05|| ||kevin86: Black is lost:If 8...g6 9 ♕xe5 fxe6 10 ♕xh8+ but a refutation is 9...♘g6|
Maybe it isn't that simple after all.
|May-24-05|| ||briiian13: I think I have had this type of position multiple times with white but how funny I never thought of this tactic.|
|May-24-05|| ||briiian13: HOw is that a refutation: 9...Ng6 when you already moved 8...g6? and if you meant 8...Ng6 the white knight still takes the queen.|
|May-24-05|| ||ThomYorke: <ottohill> After g6 better is Qxe5 attacking the rook and the black queen still is under attack.|
|May-24-05|| ||zabbura2002: there's a bunch of Birchbeer here http://www.belkaplan.de/chess/bdg/g...|
|May-24-05|| ||Greginctw: "Trivial...first thing everyone looked at, I bet."
I disagree. I bet the first thing everyone looked at was probably some sort of sacrifice at f7. They probably only saw the correct solution after that
(at least this is what i did). This is all in a matter of seconds of course (took me around 7 or 8) but i do think that sacrifices are what we all look for in our initial judgement/canidates.
|May-24-05|| ||clausantos: I see the sacrifice at f7, at first look. After the pin move.|
|May-24-05|| ||InspiredByMorphy: After 6. ...O-O is it not black who has an advantage being as their are no positional weaknesses, and being a pawn up ?|
|May-24-05|| ||dickweed: I think black has to move his bishop as otherwise Nxf7 or Nxh7 (after .. 0-0) allows Qh5+ and winning the bishop? Wouldn't 7) .. g6 give black better chances however?|
|May-24-05|| ||sibilare: Reminds me of some of the games I have lost my queen that fast.... sniff...|
|May-24-05|| ||InspiredByMorphy: <dickweed> Unfortunately after 7. ...g6 white penetrates into blacks camp with 8.Qh6 where white threatens 9.Nxh7 followed by 10.Nf6# . Of course black would defend however possible , but as Nimzovitsch said "The threat is often stronger than the execution." . 6. ...Ng6 looks as though it would have given black a better game. After 6. ...Ng6 7.Qh5 can be met by 7. ...h6 . In fact for this very reason, Im led to believe that 6.Ng5 was a waste of tempo.|
|May-24-05|| ||aginis: 8...g6?? 9.Qxe5 fxe6 10.Qxh8+ Ng8? 11.Qxg8+ Ke7 12.Bg5+ and black loses not only the queen but a rook and a knight as well. trying to keep the queen is futile.
best defense (if it can be called that) is 8...N7g6 9.NxQ 0-0|
|May-24-05|| ||Backward Development: i totally over looked this, looking for something on f7. whoops!|
|May-24-05|| ||tjshann: Simple...but absolutely brilliant. I don't think I have ever seen a double-pin theme like this, so early in an opening and with such a devastating result.|
|May-25-05|| ||Marco65: <InspiredByMorphy> After 6...Ng6 7.Qh5 h6? is ineffective as White can still play 8.Nxf7 with a discovery on the bishop. Therefore Black has to play 7...Bb6, that transposes to the line I suggested as best for Black: 6...Bb6 7.Qh5 Ng6. The critical point is to understand if the sacrifice 8.Nxf7 is sound at this point, I think not but I'm not sure.|
|May-25-05|| ||InspiredByMorphy: <Marco65> your right about 6. ...Ng6? In the line you suggested 6. ...Bb6 7.Qh5 Ng6 8.Nxf7 what does white play after 8. ...Kxf7 . Two options I see are a.) 9.Qf5+ or b.) 9.Bc4+ (which I cant help but think is the stronger move.) After 9.Bc4+ d5 10.Bxd5+ Be6 however, it looks like whites attack runs out of steam. I guess Im concluding that in your line the sacrifice 8.Nxf7 doesent appear to be sound. Your move 7. ...Ng6 is much better than the text move.|
|May-25-05|| ||kevin86: <briian13> you are right,my "perfect" refutation 9...Ng3 is impossible-thanks.|
|May-26-05|| ||Marco65: <InspiredByMorphy> I also think 7...Ng6 8.Nxf7 Kxf7 9.Bc4+ is the strongest follow-up, your 9...d5 10.Bxd5+ Be6? is refuted by 11.Qf5+ and White wins back the piece at least.|
Maybe best is 10.Bxd5+ Kf8 11.Bg5 Qd7 12.Qf3+ Ke8. I think the attack is over but Black has some problems in completing its development (Bc8), and I lost many times in positions like that. Maybe "NN" saw all this when played 7...Ne5 and was not such a patzer after all!
|Jul-11-07|| ||cionics: This one's pretty!|
|Jan-02-09|| ||WhiteRook48: NN wanted the last move to be recorded NNe6|
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