Nov-16-10 | | JohnBoy: How is black rated 2790? |
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Nov-16-10 | | Infohunter: I'm not seeing the White win here. Can someone please fill me in? |
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Nov-16-10 | | kungfufighter888: i cant see the win also |
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Nov-16-10
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Nov-16-10 | | Infohunter: <al wazir: 43. Qxg6+ Qg7 44. Qxg7+ Kxg7 45. Nxf2 Rxf2 46. Rxg5+ Kf6 47. Rg1 1/2:1/2.> Exactly what I saw. So the question remains: Why did White win this game? |
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Nov-16-10 | | AGOJ: After 43.Qxg6 Qg7, I think White should play 44. Qe6+. 44...Qf7 is off due to Nh6+, and moving the king to the h-file fails to Nxf2 and Rh1+. So it must be 44...Kf8, when 45.Qc8+ followed by Qxc7+ will start mopping up at least. |
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Nov-16-10 | | mpl: 43. ♕xg6+ ♕g7 44. ♕e6+
now the king has to move, due to Δ ♘h6, but after 44... ♔f8 45. ♘e5 the multiple threads against rook and king are to much. On the other hand, if black moves the king to the h-line, e.g. 44... ♔h7 45. ♘xf2 and what can black do to avoid 46. ♖h1+ ? |
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Nov-16-10 | | Infohunter: <mpl: 43. Qxg6+ Qg7 44. Qe6+
now the king has to move, due to with the idea Nh6, but after 44... Kf8 45. Ne5 the multiple threads against rook and king are to much. On the other hand, if black moves the king to the h-line, e.g. 44... Kh7 45. Nxf2 and what can black do to avoid 46. Rh1+ ?>That makes sense. Thanks, <mpl>. |
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Nov-16-10 | | rangek: <AGOJ>
43. Qxg6 Qg7
44. Qe6+ Kf8
45. Qc8+ Ke7
46. Nxf2 Rxf2
47. Qxc7+ Kf6
48. Qd6+ Kf7
49. Qd5+
Now Black King gets murdered if it moves to a light square. If Black King moves to a dark square the king and rook will be forked. |
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Nov-16-10 | | shubhamkuse: The followin continuation line maybe one of the reason to resign......... 43.Nxf2 Rxf2
44.Qxg6+ Qg7
45.Qxg7 Kxg7
46.Rxg5+ Kf6
47.Rg1
...with slight initiative to white
but i don't see clear win to white
1/2-1/2 |
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Nov-16-10 | | shubhamkuse: <rangek>
great goin dude.....
ur line is pretty much forced nd makes sense thanks |
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Nov-16-10 | | Cercatore: This is draw... |
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Nov-16-10 | | Humbertopt: This continuation line can explain, but black could adopt another lines. Time problems i guess... 43.Qxg6+ Qg7
44.Qe6+ Kh8
45.Nxf2 Qf6
46.Qc8+ Kg7
47.Qxc7+ Kg6
48.Rh1 Qf7
49.Qd6+ Qf6
50.Qh2 Kf7
51.Qc7+ Kg8
52.Rd1 Rxf2
53.Rd8+ Qxd8
54.Qxd8+ |
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Nov-16-10 | | laskereshevsky: <JohnBoy: How is black rated 2790?> Yes,
not very bad for an 11 years old boy... |
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Nov-16-10 | | Nullifidian: <Infohunter: I'm not seeing the White win here. Can someone please fill me in??> 43. ♕xg6+ ♕g7 44. ♕e6+
Now 44... ♔h7 loses the knight to 45. ♘xf2 as 45... ♖xf2?? is mate in 4 (46. ♖h1+ ♖h2 47. ♖xh2+ ♕h6 48. ♕f7+ ♔h8 49. ♖xh6#). It's not quite so bad if Black plays 44... ♔h8, but still 45... ♖xf2 leads to an set of exchanges where only White's queen is left standing. 44... ♔f8, which has been discussed, drops the queen to the move 45. ♘e5!. Now the rook is threatened, and there's no way to sac the rook and save the queen, so one might as well move the rook. 45... ♖f4 46. ♘d7+ ♕xd7▢ 47. ♕xd7 and now it's just a job of mopping up the remaining pieces. |
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Nov-16-10 | | gofer: The win is reasonably simple
43 Qxg6 Qg7
44 Qe6+ ...
44 ... Kf8 45 Ne5 winning easily - care of <mpl> 44 ... Kh7/Kh8
45 Nxf2 Qf6
46 Qxf6 Rxf6
47 Nd4 ...
winning the pawn and staying a full knight up and so moving into simple winning endgame for white |
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Nov-16-10 | | davegras: Because its difficult for most of us to see the win, I wonder why black didn't continue a little further against a 2000 player. Just wondering. |
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Nov-16-10 | | kevin86: I like this one-white's attack is stronger so he wins.The game is in Montreal,Quebec Canada-hence the pun. Just think if Quebec ever seceeds from Canada,the Montreal Canadiens will have the worst name in sports history. The second worst:The Kansas City Texans-quickly changed to the Chiefs. |
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Nov-16-10 | | Marmot PFL: That secession stuff is just bar and cafe talk. Makes them sound important but they will never go through with it. |
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Nov-16-10 | | David2009: According to Crafty End Game Trainer, the best defence for Black in the resignation position after 43 Qxg6+ is
43.Qxg6+ Qg7 44.Qe6+ Kh7 45.Nxf2 Qf6 46.Qxf6 Rxf6 47.Ne4 Rf5 48.Nxg5+ Kh8 which is <gofer>'s line with a typo corrected and,
as pointed out by <gofer> leaves White <a full knight up>. According to Crafty EGT a better defence for Black is 42...Qf4. A win is given at the end of this post so stop reading now and click on the following Crafty EGT link if you want to find the win unaided: http://www.chessvideos.tv/endgame-t... You are white, drag and drop the move you want to make. Enjoy finding the win! Lesiege was 11 when this game was played so the ELO rating 2790 is clearly a misprint. The position after 42. Qe4! is below:
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If you would like instead to defend the position, here is a link to the position colours reversed: http://www.chessvideos.tv/endgame-t... I failed to find the win given below so was reduced to watching Crafty EGT play itself colours-reversed when all was revealed. I am sure fellow
kibitzers will do much better.
Crafty EGT finds 42...Qf4 when White wins with 43.Qxg6+ Kf8 44.Ne3 Nxf2 45.Rxg5 Rxe3 46.Rf5+ Ke7 47.Qh7+ Kd6 48.Rxf4 Re1+ 49.Qb1 Rxb1+ 50.Kxb1 Nh3 51.Rf1 |
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Nov-16-10 | | WhiteRook48: that's interesting but I completely failed to find any win whatsoever |
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Nov-16-10 | | rapidcitychess: I am cultrually declined :). What's the pun a reference to? Thanks in advance,
Rapidcitychess |
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Nov-16-10 | | AGOJ: I think there's an expression: "at your beck and call", meaning at your service, at your convenience, etc. I don't know if it goes any deeper than that. |
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