Jun-27-22
 | | Check It Out: This stuff is way over my head, but Stockfish wants 40...Bh5 and seriously dislikes 40...Bxe4. I'm thinking that's so black can take the e4 pawn with the knight, and protect the f7 pawn as needed with ...g5. |
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| Jun-28-22 | | Z free or die: <<CIO> ... but Stockfish wants 40...Bh5 and seriously dislikes 40...Bxe4.> Sorry to be pedantic (ok, not that sorry), but I like to also have the depth and evals to help me eval such statements. If you know what I mean. PS- "This stuff is way over my head" -- that's my line - ha! |
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Jun-28-22
| | Check It Out: 1) +0.38 (41 ply) 40...Bh5 41.a6 Nxe4 42.Rc7 g5 43.f5 exf5 44.a7 Nd2 45.Rc2 Rxc2 46.a8=Q Rc1 47.Qd8 Rxf1+ 48.Kg2 Re1 49.Qd4 Re4 50.Qc3 Kg8 51.Qxd2 Rxe5 52.Qxg5+ Bg6 53.Qf6 Re6 54.Qd4 f6 55.Qd5 Kf7 56.Kg3 Ke7 57.f3 h5 58.Qc5+ Ke8 59.Qc8+ Ke7 60.Qg8 Bf7 61.Qh7 Re5 62.Kf4 Rd5 63.Qh8 Re5 64.Qh6 Ra5 65.Qg7 Re5 66.Qh8 Bg6 67.Qb8 Kf7 68.Qd8 Kg7 69.Qd2 Bf7 70.Qd7 Rd5 2) +2.70 (41 ply) 40...Bxe4 41.Rc7 Kg8 42.a6 Ra1 43.f3 Bf5 44.a7 Ne8 45.Re7 Nd6 46.Kg2 Kg7 47.Rc7 Ra2+ 48.Kg1 Nc8 49.Rxc8 Rxa7 50.Bc4 Kh6 51.Kf2 g5 52.Kg3 gxf4+ 53.Kxf4 Kg7 54.Rd8 Rc7 55.Rd7 Rxd7 56.Nxd7 f6 57.Nc5 Kf7 58.Nb3 Kg6 59.Ke3 Bh3 60.Kf2 e5 61.Nc5 Kg7 62.Bd3 h6 63.Nb7 Be6 64.Nd6 Kf8 65.Nf5 h5 66.h4 Kf7 67.Ng3 Ke7 68.Nxh5 3) +2.68 (40 ply) 40...Nxe4 41.Nxf3 Rxa5 42.Rc7 Rc5 43.Rd7 Nf6 44.Rb7 Nd5 45.Ne5 Rc7 46.Rxc7 Nxc7 47.Kg2 Nd5 48.Kf3 Kf8 49.Bc4 Nf6 50.Bb5 Ke7 51.Bc6 Nh5 52.Nc4 Nf6 53.h4 Nh5 54.Ne3 Nf6 55.Ng4 Nh5 56.Bb5 Kd6 57.Ne3 Nf6 58.Bd3 Ke7 59.Be2 Kd6 60.Nc4+ Ke7 61.Ne5 Nh5 62.Ke3 Nf6 63.Bf3 Ne8 |
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Jun-28-22
| | Check It Out: Typical bad 40th move with no increment. <Z>, any idea how much time was on Duda's clock at move 39? |
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Jun-28-22
 | | HeMateMe: the Dude was dinged up, badly. |
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| Jun-28-22 | | SChesshevsky: <...Stockfish wants 40...Bh5...> Interesting the computer 's favored line let's the pawn queen and the other lines seem to pick off the pawn at cost. Probably not a human's first instinct. Also interesting, some opening similarities to Reshevsky - Lombardy, think 1972. Where Reshevsky writes about the white doubled pawns plusses in "Art of Positional Play". |
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| Jun-28-22 | | Ulhumbrus: After 10 d4 if the move Bf4 counts as a threat one alternative to 10...Bb7 is 10...Bd6. One alternative to 14...Qc7 is 14...Qe7. Then if White proceeds as in the game after 14...Qe7 15 Rd4 O-O 16 Rad1 Rfc8 ( instead of 16...Rac8) 17 Qd2 Nf8
18 Qf4 Ne8 keeps the rooks out of both d7 and the sensitive spot d6 After 16 Rad1 White has a lead of no less than two moves in development. If other things are equal and White can make this count White has more than a slight advantage. Black is in trouble and has to look for a way to defend his weak spots. Black's square d6 is weak. How is Black to defend that sensitive spot against the threat of Rd6? One alternative is that instead of 16...Rac8, 16...Rfc8 clears the square f8 for the N on d7 so that if White then proceeds as in the game, after 16...Rfc8 17 Qd2 Nf8 18 Qf4 Qxf4
19 gxf4 Ne8 keeps the white rooks out of both d6 and d8 |
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| Jun-28-22 | | Z free or die: <CIO> thanks for the full details; pretty trust-worthy at that level of depth, and 40...Bh5 is definitely "sharp" (i.e. much preferred). <...ny idea how much time was on Duda's clock at move 39?> Let me try to (roughly) work it out from the %emt info on <chess24>... OK, let's say he used 1:43:45 roughly, so a litter over 15m left on his clock. (Hopefully I didn't screw up too much; wish <chess24> would update the clocks as you replay the moves) |
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| Jun-28-22 | | cormier: <CIO> thanks too ...... |
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| Jun-28-22 | | Z free or die: <CIO> (and everybody else)... I screwed up, Duda was in a bit of time trouble: https://youtu.be/ZOLYdCBE1Rs?t=14008
Having about 5:15m after 37...Rb3
Sorry. |
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Jun-28-22
| | Check It Out: <Z> Thanks. |
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| Jun-28-22 | | Saniyat24: agadmator explains how Duda had to find 40...Bh5 to save the game...https://youtu.be/iJmaOS8h0Ok |
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Jun-28-22
| | Check It Out: <Saniyat24> Thanks for posting that link. Everything I said in my original post about 40...Bh5 was confirmed! |
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| Jun-29-22 | | et voila: Duda didn't do the deed hence he was done in by Ding. |
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Jun-29-22
 | | perfidious: Sounds like a nasty way to go.... |
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| Jun-29-22 | | ex0duz: https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=14008... Duda had exactly 1 minute 20 seconds left to play move 40, and basically played Bxe4 almost instantly with 37 seconds left on his clock. Didn't seem like he even considered Bh5? Otherwise I assume he would have used every second he had to calculate, and if he didn't like it he could still have played Bxe4 at the last second. Go ding! Hopefully this is the start of his comeback, and Nepo and caruana start losing. Losing more in case of caruana. Hehe. Seems like ding is a slow starter but he seems to have stamina and plays well in the second half. Hopefully other players get tired and he can take advantage. I really want to see ding vs Carlsen and not Nepo or caruana rematch. I fear Carlsen will retire otherwise and we will not be able to see ding vs Carlsen match, since I think only ding can really win vs Carlsen. Caruana is not strong enough at faster time controls and I don't think caruana will catch Carlsen with his opening prep. Nepo is just not strong enough in classical or faster time controls, although not as bad as caruana (at faster time controls). |
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| Jun-29-22 | | ex0duz: Sorry, don't know how to edit or delete my previous post, but you can see Ding make his 40th move and also Dudas time and the speed and nonchalance with which he played Bxe4 also. I think it's a good addendum for people who view this game in the future, since that was the critical move and adds some insight into the moment. https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=15060... |
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