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|Feb-29-12|| ||Domdaniel: I hope some clever person has kept a copy of all that deleted stuff. For strictly historical reasons, of course. The crustaceans may want to know how mammalian instinct, emotion, fear and rage brought down a once-dominant species.|
And in the medium term, there's always blackmail.
|Mar-01-12|| ||frogbert: there is delete and there is delete, dom. wrt how minimal amount of data deleted posts represent compared to the "non-deleted" kibitzing, i wouldn't be surprised if cg.com has an option for simply *marking* a post as deleted (while the row lives on happily - or unhappily possibly - in the db).|
and of course there is the semi-automatic archival function of all posts that can be construed as being offensive or otherwise objectionable. its cleverness can be disputed, since it doesn't work for all kibitzers. it works for me, though, so i guess i can't complain. :o)
|Mar-01-12|| ||brankat: <Jim Bartle> <.. both on the left and the right, who are outright offensive. Plus they're are two or three who are blatantly, even proudly, racist...>|
Right on Jim. The Rogoff site has reached almost 3,000 pages, and is has been one of the an invaluable outlets at this CG.com site. An odd "inappropriate" post is much less than a drop in the ocean. The Admins. I think, have been not only patient, but also realistic about it.
The same is, or should be, applicable to a number of "certain" other pages.
There should be no need for a which hunt type of an over-kill.
|Mar-01-12|| ||twinlark: Hi ceegee. Now that the brouhaha seems to be tapering off, I have a query about the drop down menus bio writers use to identify the nationality of the players.|
Two queries really. The first is that when a person settles in a country other than that of their birth, the menu asks for their nationality and identifies them as "citizens" of that country, which may not necessarily by the case, eg, a person can be a permanent resident without being a citizen.
I was wondering whether or not it might be worth while changing "citizen" to "resident", as the latter subsumes the former. You might even consider dispensing with both and simply identifying the federation with which a player is registered, using the same country names, although this might be difficult with players that played before FIDE and national federations were established.
Just a thought.
The second query is that in filling out the same fields for some players, especially historical players, the menu is inadequate to describe the countries in which they originated and sometimes lived. A good example is Wilhelm Steinitz who was born in the Kingdom of Bohemia which was within the Austrian Empire (and not Austria proper - think Britain vis a vis the British empire), but which later became part of Czechoslovakia and lately, the Czech Republic.
Maybe it's all too trivial, but I thought I'd put it out here.
|Mar-01-12|| ||Stonehenge: <I have a query about the drop down menus bio writers use> I also have something:|
-Atm it's not possible to make visible that a player is deceased but the biographer doesn't know when he/she died. It would be handy if we can put 0000.00.00 into the 'Date deceased' field, and that it shows 'died ??'.
-When a biographer fills in only one field, e.g. 'Country of origin', it doesn't show up (except when there's also a bio written), can you please change that?
|Mar-01-12|| ||crawfb5: <Actually there is one other problem with the Rogoff page, that being that GM Rogoff is not a trivial player, and it's a shame that he's the one grandmaster who has virtually no discussion about chess on his page. Perhaps one day we can give GM Rogoff a real page that he so very much deserves, but for the time being we don't want to do away with our "lightning rod" (as twinlark calls it).>|
I am also one who is happy the page is available, if for no other reason that most of the political rants are sequestered there and I can spend my time elsewhere.
Might I suggest you dummy up a player account to be the "new" Rogoff page and move all the political kibitzing there? <Thomas Paine> might be a good candidate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas...). Influential in the American Revolution for writing <Common Sense> and <The American Crisis>, Paine was a lifelong political malcontent.
|Mar-01-12|| ||positionalgenius: <benjinathan> Thats exactly the reason I never renewed mine as well . In following your lead, I probably will now also renew my premium membership.|
|Mar-01-12|| ||FSR: <twinlark: ... The second query is that in filling out the same fields for some players, especially historical players, the menu is inadequate to describe the countries in which they originated and sometimes lived. A good example is Wilhelm Steinitz who was born in the Kingdom of Bohemia which was within the Austrian Empire (and not Austria proper - think Britain vis a vis the British empire), but which later became part of Czechoslovakia and lately, the Czech Republic.>|
Moreover, in 1883 Steinitz immigrated to the United States, becoming an American citizen in 1888, and changed his first name to "William." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhel...
Then there's the American-Icelandic Robert James Fischer; the American-English George Hatfeild Gossip (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George...); the English-Irish-Canadian William Henry Kraus Pollock (sic - should be "Krause," not "Kraus" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willia...); the Polish-Argentinian Miguel Najdorf; the Russian-Austrian-Polish-French Savielly Tartakower; innumerable players who were born in the Soviet Union or one of the countries that succeeded it, then moved someplace else; etc., etc.
|Mar-01-12|| ||FSR: <crawfb5: ... Might I suggest you dummy up a player account to be the "new" Rogoff page and move all the political kibitzing there? <Thomas Paine> might be a good candidate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas...). Influential in the American Revolution for writing <Common Sense> and <The American Crisis>, Paine was a lifelong political malcontent.>|
|Mar-01-12|| ||Stonehenge: They can call that forum Paine in the you-know-what :)|
|Mar-01-12|| ||Penguincw: < chessgames.com:
<Penguincw> <Two things: How often is the "Hot Games" feature updated?> If you must know, it refreshes at 11:39am, 3:39pm, and 11:39pm (EST). It might deserve to be recomputed a few extra times.
<Also, just like we have a Pun Submission Page, is it possible to include a submission page for puzzles?> Not a bad idea, perhaps we could have a contest like we did with the Pun Contest last year. Meanwhile you can always feel free to send us an idea at email@example.com. >
Thanks for replying. :)
|Mar-01-12|| ||benjinathan: <cg> why is there a red banner on my page telling me I have 0 days left of premium membership and encouraging me to renew? |
<positionalgenius> well done on both acounts.
|Mar-01-12|| ||hms123: <benjinathan> I am willing to bet that it is a computer glitch caused by leap day (2/29).|
|Mar-01-12|| ||Fusilli: <twinlark> That is actually my case. I am a US lawful permanent resident, but my player page says "citizen of the United States". (Incidentally, I plan to become a citizen later this year.) More generally, the legal status of immigrant players, in whichever country they are, is usually not public information (and none of our business anyway), so using "resident" might be more appropriate than "citizen". |
Where the information might be relevant is in the case of GMs who might need to be citizens of their adoptive country in order to represent that country (eligibility to represent a country varies by country, though), but that can always be clarified in the bio section.
|Mar-01-12|| ||Fusilli: About the Rogoff page, I agree that a lighning rod is needed, but it is also true that it would be nice to have a page for poor GM Rogoff for real. A couple of times I meant to post something about him, but gave up knowing that it would be buried under a pile of political posts.|
There is always a risk that *any* Rogoff page turns into what his has become. This is because of who he is. I think the page began to become what it is today after someone posted something about seeing Rogoff on TV commenting on the economy. A relevant post about Rogoff turned into an invitation for never-ending economic debate, which then turned political, social, religious, environmental, evolutionary...
|Mar-01-12|| ||Domdaniel: <re twinlark's excellent points> Nationality/Federation is likely to get even more complex and difficult in the near future, as I think <frogbert> has already observed. FIDE already levy a fee of several hundred dollars/euros to 'register' a change of federation -- and neither ordinary players nor their federations are willing to pay. So a French or Bosnian player who has actually lived in Canada for 20 years simply doesn't bother to change federation.|
As for the historical side, a small minority of bio writers seem to want to score political points with anachronistic national affiliations -- eg, stating that 19th century players 'came from' 20th century political entities (such as the Czech republic). I think it should be possible to say something like 'X was born in Z, then part of the Austro-Hungarian empire, now in Slovakia'.
We can leave particular details to be thrashed out in the bistro.
Eh, isn't 'bistro' French for 'too much, twice'?
|Mar-01-12|| ||mockingbird: Thanks <SwitchingQuylthulg>. You were batting 1.000 (Is that right?) . Not too familiar with baseball. More of a cricket guy myself and so I should also say, you hit that for a six :-)|
|Mar-02-12|| ||dakgootje: Baseball is just like cricket but with only a quarter of the rules.|
|Mar-02-12|| ||Penguincw: Can we have a discussion forum for Reykjavik Open 2012? It starts in just a few days!|
|Mar-03-12|| ||King Death: < Annie K.: <cg> I would advise leaving the Rogoff page alone. Every online community eventually develops a need for that sort of debate outlet, for those who enjoy such discussions - and a single page, not really used for anything else, conveniently out of the way of anybody of different temperament and/or here for other purposes, is pretty much the ideal solution. I'd say, allow that page to run with the minimal moderation necessary, and otherwise let it be. :)>|
This seems like a fine way of doing things. There will always be folks that try to push the envelope, that's life, but a safety valve is a good thing to have. Maybe there's no perfect solution but I think that this is worth trying.
|Mar-03-12|| ||King Death: < Domdaniel:...FIDE already levy a fee of several hundred dollars/euros to 'register' a change of federation -- and neither ordinary players nor their federations are willing to pay...>|
Is this another creation of Ilyumzhinov or Campomanes? Not long ago they jacked up their rating fees per game if I remember right.
<...As for the historical side, a small minority of bio writers seem to want to score political points with anachronistic national affiliations -- eg, stating that 19th century players 'came from' 20th century political entities (such as the Czech republic). I think it should be possible to say something like 'X was born in Z, then part of the Austro-Hungarian empire, now in Slovakia'.>
This makes more sense without ruffling somebody's feathers and playing out a charade of revisionist history. If Old So and So was born in Kinshasa in 1937 the world won't end if the biographer states that he was born in what was then known as the Belgian Congo.
|Mar-03-12|| ||chessgames.com: <benjinathan: <cg> why is there a red banner on my page telling me I have 0 days left of premium membership and encouraging me to renew?> I believe that is a bug, we are investigating it right now.|
|Mar-03-12|| ||benjinathan: <CG> IT IS NOW GONE- It was there earlier this morning so you must have fixed it.|
|Mar-03-12|| ||Penguincw: Thanks for the forum. There are many other tournaments, but I'll give you a break. :)|
|Mar-04-12|| ||morfishine: <benjinathan> Are you going to open your forum?|
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