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|Nov-07-13|| ||dakgootje: <The question is if Carlsen's inexperience might show as nervous play at critical moments, as it seemed to do at the Candidates.>|
Sure, could always be a problem.
I've been wondering about this as well. He generally strikes me as very cool and collected, but I do vaguely remember from some recent interview [perhaps around the candidates] that he was nervous at the time.
Suppose it's essential for Anand to strike early. If Carlsen can just calmly draw the first two games, I suppose odds are most of his nervous tension will be gone [if he had any].
<I'd be surprised if Anand and his team <didn't> have further such variations prepared, but there's a good chance Carlsen won't play into them :)>
They have undoubtedly looked for them, seems essential for the match strategy. And they've probably found some.
However Carlsen might avoid them all, going for some quiet line of.. say Ruy Lopez. And even if he falls into one prepared variation, I don't think he'll contest it in a second game.
So let's think about the first game. I'd like a draw as Carlsen, and go for a win as Anand - in case of nerves. Carlsen is white, so perhaps e4? Ideally getting some equal position with minimal pull for white. Which Anand wouldn't like, so perhaps he'd go for a Sicilian.
Seems shaky to expect a Sicilian nowadays though, with all them d4's ;)
|Nov-07-13|| ||SwitchingQuylthulg: Funny, I was thinking just the opposite - that Carlsen's nerves would be more likely to shake his game later when the stakes in any one game are higher :) We'll find out, I guess.|
<dakgootje: So let's think about the first game. I'd like a draw as Carlsen, and go for a win as Anand - in case of nerves. Carlsen is white, so perhaps e4? Ideally getting some equal position with minimal pull for white. Which Anand wouldn't like, so perhaps he'd go for a Sicilian.
Seems shaky to expect a Sicilian nowadays though, with all them d4's ;)>
One would think a dull move like 1.e4 should suit Carlsen's style :-) It hasn't always worked out that way, though, as I noted after the Candidates:
<Usually [Carlsen] varies his White openings a lot, but here he played 1.e4 in 5 out of 7 games. The results were abysmal: two losses and almost a third, when he normally scores win after win as White. (For instance, at Tata Steel (2013) he went +6 as White and only +1 as Black! Similarly, at Pearl Spring Chess Tournament (2009) he won <all> of his White games for +5 and only went +1 as Black.)
Here it was the exact opposite: he scored ±0 as White and +3 as Black. I think there are two lessons to be learned from this. One, Carlsen's opening prep isn't at the same level as some other players' but his unpredictability and wide repertoire help make up for this - if he uses the same opening game after game he'll play right into his opponents' hands. Two, 1.e4?? is a junk move :)>
Carlsen and Anand have played two Sicilians lately, with one draw (Carlsen vs Anand, 2013) and one White win (Carlsen vs Anand, 2012), each going 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.Bb5+. For some reason those Bb5 Sicilians seem to have suddenly become popular at the top - there were several 2...Nc6 3.Bb5 games in the Anand-Gelfand match, and one (Anand vs Gelfand, 2012, the final tie-break game where Anand just had to draw) with 2...d6 3.Bb5+. That's GM chess, I guess - blink your eye and a random variation is suddenly topical :)
|Nov-07-13|| ||dakgootje: < Funny, I was thinking just the opposite - that Carlsen's nerves would be more likely to shake his game later when the stakes in any one game are higher :) We'll find out, I guess.>|
Hmm.. yeah possible.
My reasoning was that he's been living up to this moment for months, so I'd expect him to be rather nervous early on. Until the realization follows he should just play chess. Which happens to be his thing, as they say ;)
Might be different at the point where only a draw is required for the title, but generally I'm not so sure there are extra nerves in later games.
Heh, I just realized.. I'm gone for the whole day saturday - so I'll miss the, ever-interesting, first game completely :(
|Nov-07-13|| ||SwitchingQuylthulg: <dakgootje: Heh, I just realized.. I'm gone for the whole day saturday - so I'll miss the, ever-interesting, first game completely :(>|
For some reason or another, taping games to watch them later has never really reached chess - but perhaps that just means it's about time?
|Nov-07-13|| ||dakgootje: Presumably because it would take 6 hours to watch back.|
As opposed to for instance American Football which, if advertisements are edited out, condenses into a neat 6 minutes.
|Nov-08-13|| ||SwitchingQuylthulg: There is that, yes. Then, watching the game live takes just as long :)|
|Nov-08-13|| ||dakgootje: I hardly ever watch a full game ;)
Only a couple of time hung around almost the full time when there was some interesting tournament going on with excellent commentary.
Anyway, have you had your hand at chessbet.com yet? :)
|Nov-08-13|| ||SwitchingQuylthulg: <dak> To me it looks like a misnomer. I see no betting, just a prediction contest :)|
I suck at predicting the outcomes of chess games, so it isn't really my thing.
|Nov-08-13|| ||dakgootje: That's true actually - I initially thought it'd be more bookielike (as in: sporting a smart black hat).|
No way to beat the system or the opponents, except for predicting more accurately ;)
|Nov-08-13|| ||SwitchingQuylthulg: <lucky> Just noticed Betfair is offering <Carlsen -1.5>, currently trading around even money. If you think Carlsen will score 3 wins to 0 or 1 that could be an opportunity... just don't blame me if you lose :-)|
|Nov-08-13|| ||dakgootje: Heheh - true true.
Not going to take the risk though. Might've put a bit on it [if only for bragging rights! ;] if I'd had an account.
|Nov-08-13|| ||SwitchingQuylthulg: <dakgootje: Heheh - true true.>|
A bit like <jfq>'s verbless approach to foreign languages :)
A neat concept, and quite possibly actually helpful for people new to the language in question, but ultimately not very practical, at least for anything beyond the simplest sentences.
|Nov-08-13|| ||dakgootje: Harder sure, perhaps even impractical - but somehow strangely catchy nonetheless!|
Though the absense of tense and time - well, no, actually the absense of proper combinations between particles. Miss' Jess's philosophy s'initially ' ?
|Nov-12-13|| ||dakgootje: I should be doing useful things.
Instead, I'm only sitting utterly charmed by Irina Krush :x
|Nov-20-13|| ||SwitchingQuylthulg: <dakkie> Ever tried a Guess-the-Move simul? :)|
|Nov-21-13|| ||dakgootje: I haven't played GTM in a long time - so let alone trying a simul :(|
Don't think it really suits my GTM-style :P
Is it fun?
Of course I do follow Anand-Carlsen fairly closely, but that takes more time than I ought to spend on chess ;)
|Nov-21-13|| ||SwitchingQuylthulg: I thought it was quite fun - and the closest either of us will ever get to giving a simul against players of that strength :)|
Mind you, I mostly moved extremely fast, which might indeed not suit your style. And I only tried it with two and three games, not fifty ;-)
|Nov-21-13|| ||dakgootje: Exactly. Given that I'm worlds worst blitzplayer, I think I'd just obtain a number of "Go back to the lesson about how the horsie moves"-results. :)|
|Nov-21-13|| ||dakgootje: Anyway, poor poor Anand. Felt really bad for him today. |
I watched most of todays game via chess.com's stream, as I'd rather fancied their commentary so far. Just seemed black was under heavy pressure throughout. Such a massive position for white visually.
And I wasn't completely sure whether I wanted the draw more or Anand winning. Sure, for the match the latter would be better - but it just seemed time for Carlsen to take over the crown. So let's not take too many chances.
As long as Anand didn't lose. Thought that would be absolutely crushing. Not merely for this match, though losing in front of your own supporters is tough. But for future games of his against Carlsen. And just in general for future games and tournaments.
He's had mediocre tournament runs before, even when he tried to play more interesting and win a game. The world championship and a great match record was the main thing he had left. Not really sure how he'll cope. In truth, I wouldn't be all that surprised if he'd actually quit.
So yeah - then he blundered and lost. Really sad - he didn't deserve that. Not by a longshot. Poor vishy.
|Nov-21-13|| ||SwitchingQuylthulg: <dakgootje: Anyway, poor poor Anand. Felt really bad for him today.>|
Yes. At least in today's game he tried. And he got one of those ultra-sharp positions we were talking about... and lost. Like you said, Anand has grown old and is no longer the Anand of old.
At the same time, though, I'm very impressed with how the Ogre of Tønsberg handled this game. This was the perfect opportunity to show he's only a human and he utterly failed to grasp it :)
So after a series of disappointments for Anand, we're pretty much exactly where you predicted - three wins for Carlsen and none for Anand. I guess those who fight the Ogre can expect to be disappointed. And eaten.
|Nov-21-13|| ||SwitchingQuylthulg: Hmm, everyone else's kibitzes have been bumped off this page. Seems we have a bad case of talking to ourselves :)|
|Nov-21-13|| ||Annie K.: I hereby pronounce you cured! :)|
|Nov-22-13|| ||SwitchingQuylthulg: <Annie> Thanks, I suppose ;-)|
|Nov-22-13|| ||Annie K.: Well, I was *trying* to be helpful... ;)
And how about that Carlsen?! =)
|Nov-23-13|| ||dakgootje: <At the same time, though, I'm very impressed with how the Ogre of Tønsberg handled this game.>|
He always mentions he finds it easy to play only-moves, but I'd be mainly worried that even with those moves I'd be lost ;)
<So after a series of disappointments for Anand, we're pretty much exactly where you predicted - three wins for Carlsen and none for Anand.>
Yup, I think I said 2-3 Carlsen and 0-1 Anand. So during the game for the most part I was considering the 0-1 aspect.
Can we break up that 9th game, giving half a win to Carlsen and half a win to Anand - which would make my prediction absolutely spot-on? ;) :P
Yeah well, what can I say. Circumstances I suppose. Both players have been rather consistent for a substantial time. And I've seen them relatively much in postgames etc. So that culminated in a fairly appropriate match-prediction.
However, if I'd had been Caruana or Karjakin playing I wouldn't have known where to start. Or even Kramnik, of course a completely different player than.. well 5 years ago.
<I guess those who fight the Ogre can expect to be disappointed. And eaten.>
So who do we expect to be the next serious contestant?
Think <Kramnik> would be very interesting - one of the few player who might stand a fair chance. Saw a comment couple of days ago that <Naka> thought some months ago that with a proper training regime he might catch up or even overtake Carlsen. Don't see that happening in all honesty. <Topalov> seems very vague; could really go either way - hard to pinpoint him.
Then there's <Aronian>, <Caruana> and <Karjakin>. All three very talented, think all three are potentially able to take Carlsens title - under certain conditions. That is, all three (and especially the former 2) have had tournaments or short periods of time when it really seemed they'd stepped up there game. Really got it this time, to consequently outplay their opponents.
Above and beyond a string of victories due to chance. For instance Aronian had a short while perhaps a year ago when he was absolutely fenomenal grinding out endgames, also Carlsenesque. And Caruana sometimes plays brilliant tournaments, and the next one bombs.
Think <if> there indeed is an underlying reason and <if> they can find and exploit this - they can put up a significant challenge.
However as it stands, I think only Kramnik has a real chance.
<Miss Annie> Thanks - you are ever so helpful :)
<And how about that Carlsen?!>
I was just thinking, you know, that Carl Magnussen boy - boy, he plays a mean game of checkers. Bet he stands a real chance making some money off it some time.
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