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|Oct-17-14|| ||optimal play: <YouRang> I was not offended by anything you posted at all, I was just being facetious ;)|
The most important thing you said in your above post is this...
<... consistent with how the OT prophets described the Day of the Lord ...>
That's the key to understanding apocalyptic imagery in the New Testament!
Taking Mark's "Little Apocalypse" as an example, the Evangelist has combined three different things...
1) The persecution of Jesus' disciples following his death and resurrection
2) The destruction of Jerusalem in 70 c.e.
3) Christ's Second Coming
These three separate things were interwoven due to the Gospels proximity to recent events, but from our distant perspective we can differentiate them.
The events which the early Church lived through were interpreted in terms of OT apocalyptic imagery.
<I expect that you'll disagree with me. Fine, most people do. But disagreement doesn't have to be taken as an offense.>
I never take disagreement as an offense, nor do I ever intend any.
|Oct-18-14|| ||TheFocus: I want to tell you how grateful I am that you told me I was welcome to post here.|
Even though I can be a very abrasive person (I don't suffer fools lightly), I am a GOD-fearing man. I was raised in a very strict Pentecostal church. I carry their teachings always and it has greatly influenced my life and the strict code that I live by.
Your invitation was very welcome.
|Oct-18-14|| ||playground player: <Esteemed Colleagues> Just for the record, I come from a mixed religious background--Catholic, Lutheran, Methodist, and me and my sibs raised in a Calvinist denomination that no longer exists in the USA (Dutch Reformed). One of my aunts was a nun, one of my uncles a Methodist minister. I was very well loved by all these people--and any sectarian squabbles they might've had we kept well out of earshot of the children.|
So I am not anti-Catholic, anti-Lutheran, or anti-Methodist, although in the course of my work I have found ample occasion to criticize these and other denominations.
And then there's the Joel Osteen crowd; but that's another story.
On my misleading and prejudiced blog today, I have a link to an article about the creation of genuine Artificial Intelligence--plus my speculations about whether fallible human beings can create infallible machines.
|Oct-18-14|| ||YouRang: <optimal play> I happy to hear that you're not offended. Apologies if I misread that into your earlier post.|
Anyway, I'm not sure I understand your position. I'm not familiar with the term "little apocalypse", and I don't see how this supports the view the Olivet discourse was all about 70 AD, and unrelated to the second coming at end of the age (if indeed that's your view, and I haven't again misread your comments).
|Oct-19-14|| ||playground player: <Esteemed Colleagues> All right, here you go--best news story of the year: a mysterious "flying man" passes an Airbus 3,500 feet over Manchester Airport, England.|
They don't seem to have found him splattered on the ground anywhere. But then the article in The Daily Mail doesn't make it clear whether he was going up or going down.
|Oct-19-14|| ||cormier: <<<<<<<<<<<Gospel> mt 22:15-21>|
The Pharisees went off
They sent their disciples to him, with the Herodians, saying, "Teacher, we know that you are a truthful man
and that you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth.> And you are not concerned with anyone's opinion,
for you do not regard a person's status.>
and plotted how they might entrap Jesus in speech.>
Tell us, then, what is your opinion:
Is it lawful to pay the census tax to Caesar or not?"> Knowing their malice, Jesus said,
"Why are you testing me, you hypocrites?
Show me the coin that pays the census tax."> Then they handed him the Roman coin.>
He said to them, "Whose image is this and whose inscription?"> They replied, "Caesar's.">
At that he said to them,
"Then repay to Caesar what belongs to Caesar
and to God what belongs to God.">
|Oct-19-14|| ||cormier: Gospel: To Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what belongs to God|
|Oct-20-14|| ||cormier: Gospel: Money Problems|
|Oct-20-14|| ||cormier: http://www.usccb.org/bible/readings...|
|Oct-20-14|| ||playground player: <Esteemed Colleagues> I used to wonder why <YouRang> (among others) was so down on "televangelists." Now I've discovered Joel Osteen.|
Osteen is the subject of a book review on my blog today, plus a short video clip.
I dunno... there's something about a mega-church, packed with people boogeying to the tunes, that just puts my back up.
But what's really objectionable is the man's pseudo-Christian theology.
|Oct-20-14|| ||TheFocus: <Lee> I am 100% in support of your criticism of Osteen. His "feel good" religion is so fake.|
I'll take the fire and brimstone I was raised with. Sermons were delivered with Biblical truth to back it up.
The bigger the church (mega-church), the smaller the faith of the people.
|Oct-20-14|| ||YouRang: <playground player><I used to wonder why <YouRang> (among others) was so down on "televangelists.">|
Well, you know, the phony healings, the constant appeals for money from wealthy pastors, marketing their wares. Reason enough I'd say.
But even worse are all the gullible professing Christians who believe that the miracles are genuine, buy their books, and donate bags of money to these charlatans. What better way of discrediting the church?
<Now I've discovered Joel Osteen...
But what's really objectionable is the man's pseudo-Christian theology.>
We agree there. I'm sure the mayor of Houston would give a passing grade to Osteen's fluffy sermons. So would the devil for that matter.
|Oct-21-14|| ||playground player: <The Focus> Amen; and meanwhile, the Son of Man hath not where to lay his head.|
<YouRang> Yes, well, certainly no tyrant is ever going to feel even remotely threatened by Osteen and his ilk. Nor by Christians who are grubbing so hard for money and promotion that they don't even see those pesky social issues.
For those who don't understand (I know you do), the social issues matter because at stake is the question of whose authority is to be supreme, God's or the world's.
I used to pity those who listened to the religious charlatans and donated money to them. Now I think they listen because the charlatans tell them what they already want to hear.
As Our Lord Himself complained, going on 2,000 years ago, the religious authorities don't understand the meaning of the Scripture, "I will have mercy, not sacrifice."
<blog today> For your edification, dear colleagues, I will repeat one of the BS stories Osteen tells to get his message across.
You won't believe an adult can ever believe a thing like that.
|Oct-21-14|| ||playground player: <Esteemed Colleagues> I have quoted Osteen's ridiculous tall tale verbatim.|
You'd think he'd be ashamed to tell obvious fish-stories like the above. But as <Mrs. PGP> explains, "Why should he be ashamed? It's working for him--he lives like a maharajah."
Well, I guess he is--for now. But there is still a commandment not to take the Lord's name in vain, and it will be enforced, one way or another.
|Oct-21-14|| ||YouRang: <playground player><the social issues matter because at stake is the question of whose authority is to be supreme, God's or the world's.>|
I would say that the question about whose authority is supreme is already settled, and was never in doubt, regardless of what we do with social issues.
John 5:28-29 <Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.>
<I used to pity those who listened to the religious charlatans and donated money to them. Now I think they listen because the charlatans tell them what they already want to hear.>
I pity those who lack acumen in the area of discernment (e.g. the elderly, the mentally handicapped, or anyone who never had the benefit of good teaching). Such people often fall prey to religious scams.
But for many others I agree, they hear what they want to hear, and they don't want to hear what scripture has to say.
2 Tim 4:3 <For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires>
This is happening a lot in churches today.
|Oct-21-14|| ||cormier: Gospel : Wait for the Lord's return : such servants vigilant|
|Oct-21-14|| ||cormier: http://www.usccb.org/bible/readings...|
|Oct-21-14|| ||cormier: JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israeli archaeologists displayed on Tuesday a 2,000-year-old stone block unearthed in Jerusalem that they hope will help shed new light on a Jewish revolt against the Romans|
|Oct-22-14|| ||cormier: Gospel : Wait for the Lord's return : parable of the faithful steward|
|Oct-22-14|| ||cormier: http://www.usccb.org/bible/readings...|
|Oct-22-14|| ||playground player: <YouRang> Yep, you're right--whole lot of ear-tickling going on in churches today. |
"Social issues" refers to the state legitimizing activities which God's Word defines as morally wrong and abominable to the Creator.
In fact, the kinds of activities which were being done in Judah and Jerusalem during Jeremiah's time. And we all know how that turned out for Judah and Jerusalem.
<Esteemed Colleagues> It's going on 2 p.m. and I still haven't been able to decide what to blog about today. Meanwhile, "jihadists" seem to be shooting up the Canadian Parliament... Guess appeasement and cossetting and truckling didn't work.
|Oct-22-14|| ||TheFocus: <"Social issues" refers to the state legitimizing activities which God's Word defines as morally wrong and abominable to the Creator.>|
Gay clergy. Same-sex marriages. Preachers being threatened if they preach against these things.
Even the Catholic Church is beginning to head in this direction.
These were the kinds of things we were warned about.
|Oct-22-14|| ||YouRang: <"Social issues" refers to the state legitimizing activities which God's Word defines as morally wrong and abominable to the Creator.>|
Sure, but again you seem to focus on government, as if morally wrong activities are taking place because they are approved by the government. Your comments also suggest that it's the government's role to enforce Biblical standards of morality.
I would say that the government legitimizes these activities because there are growing numbers of people who wish to engage in these activities, or who at least don't perceive such activities is being immoral.
The government is merely reflecting the changing will of the people. And really, that's what it is designed to do. People don't want the government to enforce Biblical morality any more than they would want Sharia law.
The problem is, and always has been, in the hearts of the people.
Now, I would be in harmony with you if you complained about how the *church* legitimizes immoral activities. And I would agree if your proposed course of action was to use kindness, patience, and respect to present the gospel to as many lost people who will hear it.
Anyway, I think we've been through this before...
|Oct-22-14|| ||OhioChessFan: <The government is merely reflecting the changing will of the people. >|
Why is it that it's being implemented by judges and not at the ballot box?
|Oct-22-14|| ||YouRang: <OCF><Why is it that it's being implemented by judges and not at the ballot box?>|
Well, that's a good point in many cases. But then again, where do judges come from?
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