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|Oct-21-14|| ||playground player: <The Focus> Amen; and meanwhile, the Son of Man hath not where to lay his head.|
<YouRang> Yes, well, certainly no tyrant is ever going to feel even remotely threatened by Osteen and his ilk. Nor by Christians who are grubbing so hard for money and promotion that they don't even see those pesky social issues.
For those who don't understand (I know you do), the social issues matter because at stake is the question of whose authority is to be supreme, God's or the world's.
I used to pity those who listened to the religious charlatans and donated money to them. Now I think they listen because the charlatans tell them what they already want to hear.
As Our Lord Himself complained, going on 2,000 years ago, the religious authorities don't understand the meaning of the Scripture, "I will have mercy, not sacrifice."
<blog today> For your edification, dear colleagues, I will repeat one of the BS stories Osteen tells to get his message across.
You won't believe an adult can ever believe a thing like that.
|Oct-21-14|| ||playground player: <Esteemed Colleagues> I have quoted Osteen's ridiculous tall tale verbatim.|
You'd think he'd be ashamed to tell obvious fish-stories like the above. But as <Mrs. PGP> explains, "Why should he be ashamed? It's working for him--he lives like a maharajah."
Well, I guess he is--for now. But there is still a commandment not to take the Lord's name in vain, and it will be enforced, one way or another.
|Oct-21-14|| ||YouRang: <playground player><the social issues matter because at stake is the question of whose authority is to be supreme, God's or the world's.>|
I would say that the question about whose authority is supreme is already settled, and was never in doubt, regardless of what we do with social issues.
John 5:28-29 <Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.>
<I used to pity those who listened to the religious charlatans and donated money to them. Now I think they listen because the charlatans tell them what they already want to hear.>
I pity those who lack acumen in the area of discernment (e.g. the elderly, the mentally handicapped, or anyone who never had the benefit of good teaching). Such people often fall prey to religious scams.
But for many others I agree, they hear what they want to hear, and they don't want to hear what scripture has to say.
2 Tim 4:3 <For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires>
This is happening a lot in churches today.
|Oct-21-14|| ||cormier: Gospel : Wait for the Lord's return : such servants vigilant|
|Oct-21-14|| ||cormier: http://www.usccb.org/bible/readings...|
|Oct-21-14|| ||cormier: JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israeli archaeologists displayed on Tuesday a 2,000-year-old stone block unearthed in Jerusalem that they hope will help shed new light on a Jewish revolt against the Romans|
|Oct-22-14|| ||cormier: Gospel : Wait for the Lord's return : parable of the faithful steward|
|Oct-22-14|| ||cormier: http://www.usccb.org/bible/readings...|
|Oct-22-14|| ||playground player: <YouRang> Yep, you're right--whole lot of ear-tickling going on in churches today. |
"Social issues" refers to the state legitimizing activities which God's Word defines as morally wrong and abominable to the Creator.
In fact, the kinds of activities which were being done in Judah and Jerusalem during Jeremiah's time. And we all know how that turned out for Judah and Jerusalem.
<Esteemed Colleagues> It's going on 2 p.m. and I still haven't been able to decide what to blog about today. Meanwhile, "jihadists" seem to be shooting up the Canadian Parliament... Guess appeasement and cossetting and truckling didn't work.
|Oct-22-14|| ||TheFocus: <"Social issues" refers to the state legitimizing activities which God's Word defines as morally wrong and abominable to the Creator.>|
Gay clergy. Same-sex marriages. Preachers being threatened if they preach against these things.
Even the Catholic Church is beginning to head in this direction.
These were the kinds of things we were warned about.
|Oct-22-14|| ||YouRang: <"Social issues" refers to the state legitimizing activities which God's Word defines as morally wrong and abominable to the Creator.>|
Sure, but again you seem to focus on government, as if morally wrong activities are taking place because they are approved by the government. Your comments also suggest that it's the government's role to enforce Biblical standards of morality.
I would say that the government legitimizes these activities because there are growing numbers of people who wish to engage in these activities, or who at least don't perceive such activities is being immoral.
The government is merely reflecting the changing will of the people. And really, that's what it is designed to do. People don't want the government to enforce Biblical morality any more than they would want Sharia law.
The problem is, and always has been, in the hearts of the people.
Now, I would be in harmony with you if you complained about how the *church* legitimizes immoral activities. And I would agree if your proposed course of action was to use kindness, patience, and respect to present the gospel to as many lost people who will hear it.
Anyway, I think we've been through this before...
|Oct-22-14|| ||OhioChessFan: <The government is merely reflecting the changing will of the people. >|
Why is it that it's being implemented by judges and not at the ballot box?
|Oct-22-14|| ||YouRang: <OCF><Why is it that it's being implemented by judges and not at the ballot box?>|
Well, that's a good point in many cases. But then again, where do judges come from?
|Oct-23-14|| ||cormier: Gospel: Jesus, because of division between men|
|Oct-23-14|| ||cormier: http://www.usccb.org/bible/readings...|
|Oct-23-14|| ||chancho: This video is bound to annoy, so watch at your own risk:|
|Oct-23-14|| ||playground player: <YouRang><The government is merely reflecting the changing will of the people...> Oh, please. Even California (!) voted down same-sex mock-marriage when the people had a chance to state their will. So the villains went judge-shopping till they found a judge eager to do their bidding.|
The government of the United States, from the local to the federal levels, has been commandeered by left-wing zealots--whether it's your local "human rights" commission or that gang of Stalinist wannabes in the White House.
Reflecting the will of the people...! If they can't manipulate the will of the people, they simply declare it to be the same as their will and act accordingly.
You don't ***really*** think it's the will of a majority of the American people to have open borders, do you?
|Oct-23-14|| ||YouRang: <playground player>|
<YR: The government is merely reflecting the changing will of the people...>
<PGP: You don't ***really*** think it's the will of a majority of the American people...>
You mentioned the word, "majority", but notice that I didn't.
It is often the vocal minority that sways the majority to acquiesce to their view, especially if the case is made that the protection of their "rights" is in question. Certainly, the Civil Rights movement was a case in point.
However, in order for the societal shift to actually take place, that "vocal minority" still has to be large enough to gain influence, and the remaining majority has to be malleable enough to acquiesce.
Some of the societal shifts that are happening today could not have happened several decades ago. Back then, the vocal minorities in favor of those shifts lacked influence, and the remaining majority was firmly against their views. No politician could get elected if he/she was even sympathetic to those minority views.
Today, the people elect politicians all the time who openly support such views, even if the majority of people disagree with them. The will of the people *has* changed over those decades.
Take gay marriage for example: Most people in California (at least a few years ago) voted against it. And yet, if given a choice between one political candidate who supports it, and another candidate who wishes to enforce Biblical standards of morality, they will vote for the former. A few decades back, they may have voted for the latter.
So yes, the government is merely reflecting the changing will of the people.
|Oct-24-14|| ||cormier: http://www.usccb.org/bible/readings...|
|Oct-24-14|| ||cormier: Gospel: Let us recognize the signs of the times , for the judgment is near|
|Oct-24-14|| ||playground player: <YouRang> All right, fair enough: put that way, it makes sense.|
|Oct-24-14|| ||Thanh Phan: <You mentioned the word, "majority", but notice that I didn't.> I am reminded of a bumper sticker I seen before on a picture of a car,|
It's words were "The Moral Majority is Neither." possibly a reference to a conservative lobbying group, although I might have read it wrong
|Oct-24-14|| ||OhioChessFan: The government is leading and manipulating the will of the people.|
|Oct-24-14|| ||playground player: <Thanh Phan> Back in the 1980s, <The Moral Majority> was a Christian lobbying group founded by Rev. Jerry Falwell. It was greatly feared and hated by America's secular elitists, and the media never, never passed up a chance to demean it and demonize it.|
It faded away when Falwell decided he'd been spending too much time on politics and not enough on preaching God's word.
No one can deny that there have been some distasteful incidents involving Christian groups and politics. For that reason some Christians shun politics altogether.
Speaking only for myself, I cannot concede to the ungodly the sole ownership of public affairs.
|Oct-24-14|| ||YouRang: <OhioChessFan: The government is leading and manipulating the will of the people.>|
IMO, that's an illusion.
Government is like the rope in a "tug of war" contest.
The folks on one side think the rope is too far to the left, so they pull right. On the other side, people think it's too far right and so they pull left.
Over time, the rope does tend to drift toward the side with the growing numbers.
For people on either side, it may seem like the rope is pulling against them, but it's just an illusion.
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