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|Aug-27-14|| ||cormier: http://www.usccb.org/bible/readings...|
|Aug-28-14|| ||perfidious: 'The other Mexico'.
Straight bust-a-gut stuff. Unreal.
How does that Emma Lazarus line go? 'We take your robbers, your murderers, your weirdos by any name'?
|Aug-28-14|| ||cormier: http://www.usccb.org/bible/readings...|
|Aug-28-14|| ||playground player: <perfidious> And while Jerry Brown is busy erasing state and national borders, it looks like the International Monetary Fund is going to need a new boss.|
Ms. Lagarde got the job after her predecessor, Dominique Strauss-Kahn, became world-famous as a sex maniac. Out with the satyr, in with the goniff.
Is there any member of the Western world's ruling classes who is not a fool, a thief, a wacko, or a villain?
|Aug-28-14|| ||achieve: <pgp> long time no see eh?|
Was thinking about you and our brief conversations on dystopian/utopian movies that surface with regularity, as eg The Hunger Games a few years ago, remember?
I watched 'Transcendence' recently, and immediately thought how uncannily similar the subject matters and ethical dilemmas are to my and many's reactions to Kurzweil and Diamandis endorsements for a scientifically controlled AI driven "world" dominated, taken over, by human machine mergers... when I encountered this clever, simple and directly articualated comment at Imdb messageboard:
-- While it seems agreeable at first, it deserves more thoughts. OK, let's say you are partly made of nanomachines, but your mind and consciousness is yours with no one intruding. However it also means that if you are hurt, you are dependent on the sophisticated technology to be cured/rebuilt, which by no means you can repair/renew yourself. Probably this technology is so advanced, that only a small number of provider centres can ensure it's maintenance. So you become dependent on the will of the person (including his personal wishes) who is in charge of those centers. He might indirectly demand for you to make some choices that you wouldn't, otherwise he would cut a technical support to the nano-part of your body (and being powerful will be able to make it look as incident or your fault). Choosing the alternative would be catastrophic for you, as your skills to live with whole body being natural has already diminished as well as the society's infrastructure (e.g. hospitals) in favour of the new nano-tech. So even in that case you might still be only formally free. I'm afraid that the world is already going this direction with propagating credit cards instead of cash and introducing smartphones as inevitable everyday tools.
Another problem would be the nanotechs, which, upon your permit to install them into your body, would also somehow (maybe secretly as most wouldn't have the knowledge and equipment to check) act as safeguard (blocker or a spying device) in case you would make a decision (or a thought) that might be considered illegal.
The film reintroduces an important duel of the value of the will plurality vs efficiency of following the "rational standard". I believe it isn't a coincidence that main scientist in this movie is called "Will". --
It's not that much of a brainer, the move to a world order controlled by a complex group of visionaries, dreamers, psychopaths, market opportunity thinkers, that will with exponentially increasing speed move to the destruction of biology on earth... What is left? A tiny elity living off every resource imaginable at any cost to achieve immortality? Or ?
A move to a wonderful world where all the worlds problems will be solved with ease by AI?
Actually that is what they are selling at all these conferences, and the absurdity and irony could hardly escape any sane thinking person. How wrong is that assumption.
Part of this dilemma is addressed quite well in the movie, but only a mere percentile of it.
|Aug-28-14|| ||playground player: <achieve> Good to see you again.|
That's a lot to chew on, isn't it? All sorts of utopian schemes are in the offing, all of them masterminded by persons who aren't anywhere near as smart as they think they are.
I hold on to this: <The earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof: the world, and they that dwell therein> (Psalm 24). I put my trust in God's word and in His sovereign might. If it were His plan to hand over the whole earth to the ungodly, He would have told us so.
A crash is coming. It may not be in our time. God has His own schedule. But those who boast themselves against Him, and seek to sit where He sits, will all come to nothing. Their own pride, greed, sin, and folly will destroy them.
In the meantime, it's our duty to speak the truth as best we can, confident that the Lord we serve is mighty and will do all that He has said. His word will not return to Him void, having failed in its purpose.
But it's going to be a rough, rough ride.
|Aug-28-14|| ||achieve: Hi <Lee> - yes it seems, and is, a lot to chew on, but once it sinks in one realizes that it also is a variation on a familiar theme, dressed up all anew with all the latest soft and hardware gadgets, the promises, the leaders, the middle men, the ones just making a major buck, as opposed to the few who adhere to universal principles of guardianship and love (and exercise them and can hold off the propaganda) that we find especially in the NT scriptures. But not <just> there.|
Good to speak to you again, I do check in here to read up some with relative regularity, your post before mine illustrating that there really is nothing new under the sun, but the same lies and deception can be sold over and over depending the packaging, plus in general people are gullible and are reluctant or unable to think really for themselves. Psalm 2 always springs to mind as rather penetrating in these aspects of control exercised by kings and so called "dignitaries in high places." Add the media moguls these days as those with probably the most power.
But as you said it is going to be a rough ride, and it is getting tougher and more in your face with each passing month almost.
Take care, and best wishes to your wife as well- I hope you are both doing well and are in good health.
|Aug-29-14|| ||cormier: http://www.usccb.org/bible/readings...|
|Aug-29-14|| ||playground player: <achieve> Yes, Nils, we're all right. We hope you are, too. <Mrs. PGP> says hello.|
And yes, it is the same old snake oil Satan has been selling since Genesis 3: Ye shall be as gods.
Psalm 2 also says: <He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh; the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall He speak unto them in His wrath, and vex them in His sore displeasure.>
I fear our civilization is doing everything it can think of to join the ranks of other extinct civilizations. I think our leaders are aiming at the standard set by the Indus Valley Civilization: lasted 1,000 years, millions of people lived in it, hundreds of beautifully-planned and constructed cities--and today we don't know the name of one single person who belonged to it, and we don't know a single word of whatever language they spoke.
|Aug-30-14|| ||playground player: <Jim Bartle> We were watching some old X-Files episodes the other night and came upon one entitled <Teso Dos Bichos>. It starts out at an archeological dig in Ecuador, gets off to quite a good start, and I said to <Mrs. PGP>, "Gee, I bet Jim Bartle would really like this!"|
Unhappily, the story-line disintegrated halfway through the episode, soon descended into flagrant silliness, and no, you probably wouldn't like it, after all.
It makes you wonder how professionals in the entertainment business could turn out something like that.
|Aug-30-14|| ||cormier: http://www.usccb.org/bible/readings...|
|Aug-31-14|| ||cormier: <<<<<<JER 20:7-9>|
You duped me, O LORD, and I let myself be duped;
All the day I am an object of laughter;
you were too strong for me, and you triumphed.>
everyone mocks me.>
Whenever I speak, I must cry out,
violence and outrage is my message;
the word of the LORD has brought me
derision and reproach all the day.>
I say to myself, I will not mention him,
I will speak in his name no more.>
But then it becomes like fire burning in my heart,
imprisoned in my bones;
I grow weary holding it in, I cannot endure it.>
|Aug-31-14|| ||cormier: <<<ROM 12:1-2>|
I urge you, brothers and sisters, by the mercies of God,
to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice,
Do not conform yourselves to this age
holy and pleasing to God, your spiritual worship.>
but be transformed by the renewal of your mind,
that you may discern what is the will of God,
what is good and pleasing and perfect.>
|Aug-31-14|| ||cormier: <<<<<<<<<<<<<Gospel> MT 16:21-27>|
Jesus began to show his disciples
Then Peter took Jesus aside and began to rebuke him,
that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer greatly
from the elders, the chief priests, and the scribes,
and be killed and on the third day be raised.>
“God forbid, Lord!> No such thing shall ever happen to you.”>
He turned and said to Peter,
“Get behind me, Satan!> You are an obstacle to me.>
You are thinking not as God does, but as human beings do.”>
Then Jesus said to his disciples,
“Whoever wishes to come after me must deny himself,
take up his cross, and follow me.>
For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it,
but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.>
What profit would there be for one to gain the whole world
and forfeit his life?>
Or what can one give in exchange for his life?>
For the Son of Man will come with his angels in his Father’s glory,
and then he will repay all according to his conduct.”>
|Sep-01-14|| ||achieve: <pgp> Just a quote, not to belabor the obvious, but Peter Diamandis is in fact an interesting person to quite some extent. He is the one chairing the Singularity University (Kurzweil's brain child) in the recent past, majored in Medicine, and his credentials are nothing but impressive; when you hear him talk he seems to be genuinely concerned with all life, and humans especially, on earth; he wants poverty and lack of drinking water eliminated, hunger, and has set up working units and foundations to tackle all this... One would say truly a visionary and out almost 24/7 to make our world a better one for everyone.|
And now I quote him:
Peter Diamandis: "As we merge with machines, and it's inevitable that we will, we will transform into something new! Anyone who is gonna be resisting this progress forward is going to be resisting evolution, and... and fundamentally they will die out. Not a matter of whether it's good or bad; it's going to happen."
Then a colleague of him says in the same fragment, from <Transcendent Man>, "And as the technology becomes vastly superior to what we are, then the small proportion that is still human gets smaller and smaller and smaller until it becomes utterly negligable."
So - "fundamentally they will die out" and in the process we will in time be stripped of our biology and organic selves, tissues and organs being replaced, and on and on, at some point later this century.
My question is this, and which is the reason I try and get into the minds of what I think are psychopaths to an extent, because they talk very easily about the replacement of organic biological life, without even considering that every emotion imaginable is involved in upstarting and following though on the many initiatives and research promoting and further developing AI....
But my question then is simple:
IF we are stripped of our biological content, and the human aspects become utterly negigable, then who when and how will be able to judge what is desirable, pleasant, righteous, appropriate, ethically defensible, etc., not to mention feasable and must be able to be protected to abuse and corrupted individuals, groups, out to make the most from selfish reasons????
Point is that the very process they advocate eliminates purely human and biological processes under the umbrella of the complex interaction between mind, body and emotion, emotional driving forces that determine all that we do or decide what NOT to do... That is- and will always remain - pure biology, chemistry, organic processes that can not in any scenario be replaced.
This is part of the miracle of life on this planet, but as far as human properties goes this is unique, unprecedented, can not be copied digitally or with smart chips, minerals or nanotech-aided production of neuron-like structures. Simply impossible as of yet, and for a long time to come.
But hearing those people talk at conferences in that docu film they are simply unaware, it seems, that AI is what it is: artificial, and not even in 5% resembles or is able to replace human capabilities and emotions that make us think things over, and provide us with the necessary tools to perhaps enhance the human body and mind performance in some ways, replace sick organs, solve other problems deseases.
Recapping, there is no way in hell that these scientists and otherwise very smart people can miss out on this fundamental contradiction, unless they have already numbed themselves in order to not be aware of the subtle but cardinal problems there exist with the entire idea of human-machine mergers with in time the loss of all "biology". Yes the slave class can be upgraded to infinity, experiments on animals will have to precede that, please let me die, and we are right where we were warned not to go, but will go anyway, also as per some biblical prophecies, when we (they) will threaten all life on earth, as the Bible says, otherwise no flesh will survive, that is if God would refrain from intervening. (Matthew 24 (:22)
|Sep-01-14|| ||OhioChessFan: <But it truly takes a special kind of evil to threaten Americans because they prayed over an injured child.>|
|Sep-01-14|| ||playground player: <achieve> My question is even simpler than yours: How can puffed-up fools create "artificial intelligence"? Whatever they create will be a reflection of what they are.|
When men promise to do the things that only God can do, don't listen.
<Esteemed Colleagues> To take a holiday break from serious stuff, here's my recommendation of <5 Horrible Movies to Avoid>,
These are all from the 1970s, a decade remarkable for its rotten lousy movies.
|Sep-01-14|| ||playground player: <OhioChessFan> "You gotta uphold the First Amendment and stop people from praying!"|
I would like to see some of these people get a damned good thrashing.
|Sep-01-14|| ||cormier: http://www.usccb.org/bible/readings...|
|Sep-01-14|| ||playground player: <achieve> Something tells me that, if they ever could really "merge man and machine" like they want to do, all we'd wind up with would be the human race being lorded over by a clique of George Soros types who have their evil lives unnaturally prolonged by technological razzle-dazzle. Our political class would see to it that they themselves lived 800 years. As for the rest of us... too bad!|
|Sep-01-14|| ||achieve: Well, yes, that is one of the most likely scenarios.|
Special Drawing Rights for the elite and ruling class.
Meanwhile the whole enterprise is being sold and shared like a pipe dream about to come through, or true, rather?
In fact the promises from Isaiah and Revelation "spring to mind" and even the idiom is copied and adopted:
Rev. 21: 4 ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’[b] or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”
5 He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”
Indeed the claim to the throne, in the wide open.... Remarkable stuff, this, sniff, NanoTech. But undoubtedly, if in the right hands, enormous "progress" _could_ be made--that is undeniable.
|Sep-01-14|| ||achieve: And remember, that if you will resist this progress, you will fundamentally die out.|
A sacrifice has to be made, as always was the case, in order to progress and eventually attain Eternal Life!
Salomon's Temple must be restored!
|Sep-02-14|| ||achieve: Here is a film tip for those who want a break from fast paced editing typical Hollywood style movies:|
Old Joy (2006)
You can download it from here - http://yts.re/movie/Old_Joy_2006 - superior quality. Only 73 minutes "long" but truly a gem.
|Sep-02-14|| ||cormier: http://www.usccb.org/bible/readings...|
|Sep-02-14|| ||playground player: <Esteemed Colleagues> For an update on the story posted here the other day by <OhioChessFan>, see my blog.|
Chaplains out, "life coaches" in. No prayer allowed. No mention of Jesus Christ. But of course if they wanted to mention Mohammad or Slender Man or Zeus, that would be just fine.
My imagination balks at visualizing anything worse than being talked at by a life coach.
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