Dommaraju Gukesh vs Ding Liren (2024)

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Dommaraju Gukesh vs Ding Liren
Ding - Gukesh World Championship Match (2024), Singapore SIN, rd 9, Dec-05
Catalan Opening: General (E11) · 1/2-1/2

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Dec-05-24		MissScarlett: The post-game press conference will be like a wake.

Dec-05-24		optimal play: <Muttley101: <optimal play: Gukesh still thinking. He won’t give up on this game. He can’t believe he’s let another win slip away.> According to Sesse, the biggest advantage he had was with Ne5 +0.6, which is not a wining position. But for sure, missing the chance to get pressure and wasting the white pieces is a bad result.> Yes, I suppose calling that advantage a win is stretching it, but he seemed to have the better play.

Dec-05-24		Muttley101: Given that Gukesh hasn't played endgame particularly well in this match so far, you could understand if Ding wants to play on for a while. Even with equal pawns it is possible to create chances with the knight, though I'd be very surprised if Ding really did get winning chances out of this.

Dec-05-24		offramp: They might play on to bare kings, like in that previous game.

Dec-05-24		Sally Simpson: <Troller> The other thing to remember is Ulf Andersson missed it as well. <Open Defence> Normally if a player drops so far behind in time you would have to say their opponents team has prep'd well. But Ding seems to take these long thinks as a matter of habit. Possibly why he is the world champion, he actually studies the position and does not play, 'this looks good' moves. I'm a move first and then think about what have I just done type of player. (I post in forums like this as well.)

Dec-05-24		cehertan: Interesting that he has not conceded a draw yet. A show of frustration I guess but to what end.

Dec-05-24		Muttley101: <optimal play: Yes, I suppose calling that advantage a win is stretching it, but he seemed to have the better play.> For sure, you are right, and those are the sorts of advantages you should be alive to if you are playing the Catalan.

Dec-05-24		Open Defence: <Sally Simpson> <Normally if a player drops so far behind in time you would have to say their opponents team has prep'd well> yes, but in this particular game I didn't really see a strategic aim from White, so while b4 might be a novelty it didn't really do anything.... And now White may have to play out the end game with little to look forward to but still be careful

Dec-05-24		Muttley101: Regarding players going "into the tank" during a game, Karpov would do this. At the 1984 London Phillips and Drew he stopped moving and thought for 45 minutes, just out of the opening, against Timman, who'd played the Scotch. He then proceeded to play all his moves pretty quickly, and blew Timman away. Karpov was something else :)

Dec-05-24		offramp: Two players with combined 5,600 Elo points, are they going play down to K v K?

Dec-05-24		Muttley101: fwiw, Polugayevsky did the same thing against Torre, before saccing with B:h7. Polu never hid his emotions, and went from looking frustrated to being very pleased as the game unfolded. Both games are worth knowing- Timman vs Karpov, 1984 Polugaevsky vs E Torre, 1984

Dec-05-24		ketchuplover: 34...e5 !!!

Dec-05-24		Muttley101: Ding plays rook endings very well, so yeah, he's going to test Gukesh in this one.

Dec-05-24		VipinRamola: The only thing I hate about this beautiful game is, it's always a draw with high quality performance from both sides. Can not be explained to non chess people.

Dec-05-24		Sally Simpson: They cannot agree to a draw till move 41 (when the 30 increment kicks off) they will try to trick each other if they suspect there opponent has relaxed.

Dec-05-24		vonKrolock: Rc2 Rg1 check Kh6 in order to be able to defend the h Pawn

Dec-05-24		cehertan: Muttley no one is being tested here. Playing on out of inertia.

Dec-05-24		vonKrolock: Yes, even without the bPh5, it's a draw

Dec-05-24		Open Defence: Ke4 Re2+ Kf3 could be one way to repeat

Dec-05-24		Muttley101: <cehertan: Muttley no one is being tested here. Playing on out of inertia.> I'll beg to differ. There's a funny pawn ending which is winning for black, but Gukesh won't exchange rooks unless he's assured it's a simpler way to draw. You should also look at Artemiev's rook endings, and his endgame play in general, to see how one can create chances.

Dec-05-24		cehertan: Surprised he went with passive defense instead of 41.Rg1 ⩲. Black can try f5 and h4 now.

Dec-05-24		cehertan: I wrote 41. Rg1 = but it transcribed it differently

Dec-05-24		Sally Simpson: Bare Kings - good call Offramp.

Dec-05-24		VipinRamola: If it goes to rapid, I guess it's Liren advantage already?

Dec-05-24		cehertan: First WC game with a recorded move in K versus K I assume.

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