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Tadeusz Wiesniak vs Ratmir Kholmov
Warsaw Legion op (1991), rd 1
Italian Game: Giuoco Pianissimo. Normal (C50)  ·  0-1

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Oct-19-07  mikejaqua: Wow! I get to be the first... to admit I didn't get it and I don't get it. Not at all.
Oct-19-07  lilfoohk: Good Job , the pawn 's protection.The rook is useless to block if capture that pawn , but if that pawn runs , the same fate is coming.
Oct-19-07
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  An Englishman: Good Evening: Not too hard today, but a good theme to know. The idea is draw the Rook to a square from which it can no longer effectively check the Black King.
Oct-19-07  Fezzik: Well, An Englishman got it, but I didn't. I wanted to bring the King over to defend the g-pawn and didn't even notice that it defends itself by advancing!

This was a brilliantly elegant solution by GM Kholmov! I have mostly seen Kholmov as the victim of brilliancies, it's nice to see he could punish people too!

Oct-19-07  aazqua: Very cute. R*P, Kc3, Rg1 (avoid mate) Ra2, Ke1, Ra1+, Kf2, R*R, K*R and the pawn promotes
Oct-19-07  think: If 51. Rxg4+ Kc3, White must play Rg1 to avoid mate. Then it looks like Ra2 finishes White off. The same happens if 54. Rxg3.

Very clever!

Oct-19-07  zahbaz: Blast. Didn't get it. I felt 50...d2 would have been best. Now when I look at it, seems d2 ends in a draw.

Simple principle, yet very useful knowledge here.

Oct-19-07
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  al wazir: Why didn't white play 50. Rd7+ ?
Oct-19-07  King mega: Why g4?!
Oct-19-07  dzechiel: Black to move. We are up one pawn, and it's quite advanced. "Difficult".

I have been enjoying these rook and pawn endings, but these are starting to get tedious. Ideas in the position that I notice are:

- Black can play Kc3 or Ke3 which threatens mate. White must respond with a rook check, so he wouldn't have time to take my g-pawn, and I could use the extra tempo to attack the white a-pawn with the black king or protect the g-pawn with the black king.

- Black could simply play 50...Rg2 to keep the g-pawn on the board, but then he has to worry about the running a-pawn.

- The position of the white rook on the 7th rank makes it difficult to hide from its checks. But that may give us an idea.

How about

50...g4!

If white captures the pawn with

51 Rxg4+

we respond with

51...Kc3

This threatens mate starting with 52...Rh1+. If the white king tries to escape with 52 Ke1 then 52...d2+ 53 Kd1 Rh1+ 54 Ke2 d1=Q+ . So, white must play

52 Rg1

just to stay in the game. But after

52...Ra2

the mate threat is back on, plus we are threatening to skewer the king and rook. White has no good move. What does all this mean? It means that white can't play 51 Rxg4+. So what does happen after

50...g4!

If white doesn't do something fast, the g-pawn will continue to trundle on down the board. Anytime the white rook might capture it, black will simply play ...Kc3 and the end is near. So, let's look at the checks.

51 Rd7+

Black must either run up after the rook, or find a place to hide. The only place to hide is in front of the g-pawn or behind the a-pawn. My gut tells me that going after the white rook will only misplace our king on the wrong side of the board, so let's try

51...Kc3

This does have the nice side effect of threatening mate.

52 Rc7+ Kb4

Now if black checks again, we at least get the a-pawn. On

53 Rd7

we advance the g-pawn again.

53...g3 54 Rxd3 g2!

And after

55 Rg3 Rh1+ 56 Ke2 g1=Q 55 Rxg1 Rxg1

and it's all over for white.

And, if white tries 53 Rg7 we play 53...g3 and white still can't take the pawn because after 54 Rxg3 Kc3 is once again winning.

There's probably more, but I'm not looking for it tonight.

I'm will be in San Francisco over the weekend, and will see you folks again on Monday's position.

Time to "check". <Ha!>

Oct-19-07  zahbaz: <al wazir: Why didn't white play 50. Rd7+ ?>

Does that end in a draw? I've been going over it in my mind, and black's only alternative to perpetual check seems to be moving the king to the a-pawn. Hiding behind the g-pawn looks to result in white's advantage, where the a-pawn's advance could end it. And, an exchange of rooks over the central pawn leads to stalemate.

Chasing the rook...can't see the king getting very far.

I'm cracked out on stimulants and writing up a midterm...can someone please provice the math for me =D?

Oct-19-07  mkrk17: Nice puzzle. I didnt get the idea of g4 while analysing. After seeing the game score, i realised the idea behind g4.
Oct-19-07  starkidaway: <dzechiel> I'm sorry but your analysis is full of hole.Firstable, in your analysis, after 52 Rc7+ Kb4 white doesn't have to go to 53. Rd7 but it could also go to 53.Rg7 then 53...Rg2 54.Rd7 Rg3 55. Kd2 and then white gets the d3 pawn and. since 55...g4 draws to 56.Rd3+ RxR 57.KxR g3 58.Ke3 and the king stops the pawn... Now if insted black plays 55...Kc4 then 56.Rc7+ Kd4. 57. Rd7+ Ke5 (since Ke4 is a draw to Rook checks) 58. RXP RXR. 59. KxR g4. 60.a5 and both pawn queen.
Oct-19-07  Alphastar: One of the standard rook endgame themes is that white may force a draw when the side with the pawn has its pawn pushed to the 6th rank, by giving perpetual check as the king cannot hide anywhere. But here there is extra material (a4, g5) so there might be a forced win. The first move that I'm thinking of is 50. ..g4!
With the point that after 51. Rxg4? Kc3 white cannot prevent a loss, eg 52. Ke1 d2+ 53. Kd1 Rh1+ and the pawn promotes. However white has 2 other tries: Going for a perpetual anyway with 51. Rd7+, and pushing his own pawn. 51. Rd7+ Ke3 52. Re7+ Kf3 53. Rd7 d2! 54. Rxd2 Rxd2+ 55. Kxd2 g3! with a won pawn endgame. But what if 53. Rf7+ ? Something along the lines of 53. ..Kg2 54. Rd7 g3! 55. Rxd3 Kf2 and white can't stop the black pawn from promoting.

So let's try 51. a5. we can't now transpose to the pawn ending earlier, but then with the pawn on a5, because it would promote with check. So here's what I propose: 51. ..Ke3 52. Re7+ Kf2! followed by g3-g2-g1 which is pretty much unstoppable.

I spent about 15 minutes on this position now, time to check.

Oct-19-07  Alphastar: Well, my analysis is bilge because white can try 53. Rf7+ Kg2 54. Kd2! which is far better than 54. Rd7, because it activates the king which can then support his own pawn. Same thing for my line after 51. a5.
Oct-19-07  ahmadov: This is a very nice endgame puzzle... There is a lot to learn from it...
Oct-19-07  willyfly: Black is up by a ♙ which is generally concidered enough for a win but White's ♖ can easily remove the g5♙ unless Black does something which requires an immediate responce from White.

if 50...♖a2 51 ♖xg5 d2 52 a5 ♔d3 then 53 ♖g3+ drives back the Black ♔ and now Black's ♖ is stuck defending the d♙. That's the general idea. But if Black first plays 50...♔c3 then if 51 ♖xg5 Black can play 51...♖a2 with the idea of playing d2 and keeping the White ♖ busy defending the a♙.

Still, this looks drawish. So I haven't come up with a definitive solution and it's late. I'm sleepy. I will look now and see what happened.

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I sorta get it but not quite. I will have to study this one and read the comments.

Oct-19-07  stanleys: Got it.
Every attempt to make the black's king participate to the mating net is met by a check.And you understand that the g-pawn should be used as a target to deflect the white's rook
Oct-19-07  psmith: <starkidaway>

Be nice. Dzechiel always posts informative analysis. Your analysis, on the other hand, is not only full of holes but indicated you haven't really understood this position and solution.

Thus, after 50...g4! 51 Rd7+ Kc3 52 Rc7+ Kb4 53. Rg7 (as suggested by you), Black doesn't play your 53... Rg2? but instead wins with 53... g3!

Oct-19-07  psmith: By the way, I really didn't get this one, though I had a kind of intuition that g4 was the right move, and when I looked at the game I "got" it pretty much right away. Very nice play by Kholmov.
Oct-19-07  TrueBlue: Unlike yesterday (and I still have no clue how white wins in yesterday's puzzle), today is easy. Saw this line:

50 .. g4 51. a5 Ra2 52. Rd7+ Ke3
53. Re7+ Kf2 54. Re8 g3 55. Rf8+ Kg1 56. Ke1 Re2+ 57. Kd1 Rf2 58. Rg8 g2 59. a6 Ra2 60. Ke1 Rxa6

Oct-19-07  triangulation: yes i think i've got this one. the idea is simple. the pawn on the sixth is stoppable only as long the white rook can give checks from behind. black must advance the other pawn to distract the rook where white then cannot defend on both fronts. the key move is ...g4 after which the game is simple.
Oct-19-07  znprdx: I was so certain about this that I went right to the game - which made no sense to me at all. 50...Kc3 forces 51.Rc7+ (Kc1 or Ke1 ...d2+ and queens...) Kb4 and the 'a' pawn falls.Oops 'there's the rub': not without dropping the 'g' pawn. How embarrassing: now that I see it - it seems so simple. Nevertheless I am terrified of anything which might convert to a 'Lucena' position, hence I felt the necessity to keep the 'g' pawn. Ra2 winning the 'a' pawn with impunity is fantastic. Now I recall why I never quite made it to an >A< rating....rook and pawn endings :) I agree it seems that 50.Rd7+ was White's only hope - probably time pressure or fatigue.
Oct-19-07  Marmot PFL: When black's passed e pawn reaches the 6th rank and white controls the e1 sq., white can draw by checking from behind or from the side where the black king is. So by g4 and g3 black diverts the white rook to where it no longer can check and wins by moving his king to c3. Not really hard if you know the position black needs to reach and work backward from there. The only thing that could stop this is a more advanced white pawn to distract black, but pawn a4 is not yet any threat.
Oct-19-07
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  maxi: Nice. I wasn't aware of this theme, the crippling of the checking rook using a honeytrap, as John LeCarre would put it.
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