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| Sep-23-09 | | Colonel Mortimer: This time the passed pawn proves to be a strength. |
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| Sep-23-09 | | Ulhumbrus: 27 Rxc5!! offers a piece for a pawn. However after Black accepts the sacrifice, Black's minor piecs are tied up so badly - and White's Rooks developed so well- that White can afford to spend a tempo on the move 28 h4, and after an exchange of Queens White's advanced passed d6 pawn wins the game. Here is a question. Suppose Kasparov had won this game on the White side. What would the kibitzers have said? |
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| Sep-23-09 | | returnoftheking: probably that 27 Rxc5!! offers a piece for a pawn. However after Black accepts the sacrifice, Black's minor piecs are tied up so badly - and White's Rooks developed so well- that White can afford to spend a tempo on the move 28 h4, and after an exchange of Queens White's advanced passed d6 pawn wins the game. |
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| Sep-23-09 | | ontocaustic: but dont you think it's at least possible that karpov received outside 'assistance' on this one? |
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| Sep-23-09 | | Jason Frost: <ontocaustic>
Wow, where are all of you coming from. Steroids, outside assistance, cheating, so many accusations, so little evidence.
Is it possible? Sure. But don't you think we should first get one tiny inch of evidence before talking about it. You get some evidence first, then you make a hypothesis, then you test it by finding more evidence, you don't start with the hypothesis.Great job by Karpov coming back to take a point in a terrific game. He will still lost badly but it was nice to see him pick up a point. |
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| Sep-23-09 | | Zzyw: ontocaustic, do you think it's at least possible for you to not post here if you have nothing to contribute but absolutely baseless accusations towards one of the greatest chess players of all time? Anyway...
Great game by AK, resourceful defending by GK as well. I consider this the best game of the match so far. |
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| Sep-23-09 | | talisman: <Ulhumbrus> good question! |
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 | | HeMateMe: Looks like Tolya found some improvement in this Gruenfeld line. Nice how he dissoves the two passed pawns, simultaneoulsly activating his rooks. Tanks need open terrain! (OOps, guess I was channelling Gen. George S. Pattton, from the hereafter...) |
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| Sep-24-09 | | ontocaustic: my evidence and the only evidence needed is that karpov is playing kasparov, so how can he win without some outside help? if you want you could see whether his moves match rybka but even then the evidence would not be conclusive. i just throw it out there as something to belief. |
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| Sep-24-09 | | ontocaustic: you must think that an 1800 player could defeat kasparov which is also a baseless accusation |
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| Sep-24-09 | | whiskeyrebel: A good scrap. Bring on the blitz. |
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| Sep-24-09 | | Hovik2009: I don't know the real reason but I always enjoy seeing bigmouth and jiver like Kasparov so helpless! |
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| Sep-24-09 | | ontocaustic: Don't call Anatoli 'Tolya' like you are on a first-name basis with him. |
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| Sep-24-09 | | Biscoito: I don't want to complain, but you called Karpov Antatoli while correcting someone for acting like they were on a first-name basis with him. |
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| Sep-24-09 | | Jason Frost: <ontocaustic>
Where did you come from with the 1800 statement?
So you are telling me that a 2600gm can't possibly beat a 2700gm fairly? Let's look at Chucky, although few suppergms play in tournaments with lower rated gms any more. 2009
Lost to Navera(2654)
Lost to Smeets(2601)
2008
Lost to Jobava(2664)
Lost to Grachev(2640)
2007
Lost to Korneev(2657)
Lost to Tumakov(2560)
Lost to Miton(2638)
Lost to Korchnoi(2603)
2005
Lost to Radulski(2497)
Lost to Romanshin(2541)
Lost to Cheparinov(2618)
I could go on. If higher rated gms played more games vs significantly lower rated gms, he would undoubtably have lost even more. Yet did you ever hear chucky even imply that one of his opponents cheated? |
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| Sep-24-09 | | Thrajin: <Biscoito: I don't want to complain, but you called Karpov Antatoli while correcting someone for acting like they were on a first-name basis with him.> And you said you didn't want to complain, then complained. :-) |
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| Sep-24-09 | | ontocaustic: I can call anatoli by his formal name, the point was that I am not pretending to be on a first name basis with him. And Chucky is hardly the guy to bring up, because even though he has his ups and downs he does not consistently play like an 1800, if he needed to he could beat top form Kasparov even in time trouble, no one ever questions the integrity of chucky and his love for the game. |
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| Sep-24-09 | | whatthefat: <ontocaustic>
What are you rambling about? You're the one who likened Karpov to an 1800 player, when he is in fact rated over 2600. Ivanchuk is simply being used as an example of a top tier GM (a la Kasparov) losing to players rated significantly below him (a la Karpov). Although whether Kasparov's 2812 rating is still representative is highly debatable. I'm not even sure whether you're joking when you suggest that it would require engine assistance to beat Kasparov. In any case, this sort of baseless accusation is ugly and bad for chess. |
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| Sep-24-09 | | TheFocus: <ontocaustic> <Don't call Anatoli 'Tolya' like you are on a first-name basis with him> Uh, what is the big deal with that? What, we got to call these guys by their formal names now? Come back to reality. |
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| Sep-24-09 | | TheFocus: Actually, I call him Tolya, he calls me Kolya and we sit around making rhymes at each other. Tolya is a fun guy. |
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| Sep-24-09 | | Blunderdome: If 'Chucky' is OK (to list just one of the diminutive terms of endearments we give our favorite players), I think 'Tolya' should be fine. |
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| Sep-25-09 | | ontocaustic: DOn't call ivanchuk 'chucky' and don't call 'anatoli' 'tolya' or you disrespect them. |
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| Sep-25-09 | | SimonWebbsTiger: ontocaustic is one of those muppets who make discussion boards less fun or simply tries de-railing them. I believe the term is "troll" on other boards. Vassily Ivanchuk, as I know from countless games with kibitzes relayed on FICS, is loved by many for his fighting spirit and creativity. The man emerged in the last years of the USSR and has been, post-91, one of the best GMs of his generation. We love Chucky - there is no disrespect at all, quite the opposite in fact! Karpov has been called Tolya for decades.
What next? We shouldn't call Robert James "Bobby"? |
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| Sep-25-09 | | gargle: "Mickey" Adams?
"Vishy" Anand? |
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| Sep-25-09 | | Blunderdome: Not to mention "Hikki" Nakamura, "Maggie" Carlsen and "Bobo" Gelfand. |
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