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Viswanathan Anand vs Boris Gelfand
Anand - Gelfand World Championship Match (2012), Moscow RUS, rd 12, May-28
Sicilian Defense: Nezhmetdinov-Rossolimo Attack (B30)  ·  1/2-1/2

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May-28-12
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  JenShahade: <waustad You've mentioned how aggressive many of the top women are and I can see this from looking at many games from several of the top female players. Except for the top 3 women, this is a group mainly rated from 2450-2550. Is this rating group more likely to be better at attack than defense over all? We are much more likely to see games by women from this rating group than by similarly rated men.> I agree with your whole post, fab points. As I mentioned in Chess Bitch, I would also add that many strong women players grew up around the time that Judit Polgar was bashing stereotypes that women can't compete at the level of strong GMs. So many of us may have imitated her style, which is of course extremely aggro.
May-28-12  lost in space: I neither demand blunders in each game or in each move neither I pass out if there is a precise move or game. All I demand is the willing to win and not the to avoid any risk in all games and all moves.

Draw?

May-28-12
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  plang: <How many think Anand is a better endgame player than Gelfand?>

I have always thought Gelfand to be strong in the endgame.

May-28-12
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  Chessgames Bookie: OK punters, so you think you know how this game is going to end? Time to put your chessbucks where your mouth is: World Championship Rd 12: INTRAGAME BETTING.

Note that you only have about 25 minutes to place your bets. Read the link for more details.

May-28-12
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  JenShahade: <stareagle: Jen, I don't think it has been dull. I think 12 games is too short and I hate the idea of the classical Chess world title being decided in rapid games.> I agree to some extent, it's not an ideal format in this case. Did you hear about the idea from earlier in the broadcast (with Kramnik liked) about STARTING the match with rapid tiebreaks so that each player knows going into the final game whether he needs to win or draw. I like that idea a lot!
May-28-12
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  kingscrusher: As a general rule, when the Queens come off, the game becomes more boring Also symmetrical pawn structures are to be avoided at all costs. A third golden rule is that the Slav defence is one of the dullest openings in existence. In this match we have all these three golden rules being broken. Rule 3b is that the Rossolimo against the Sveshnikov is a real fun-killer system.

Jrobichess on Youtube had it right when he said a lot of the excitement in chess is caused by blunders. If you want to see a perfectly played match, then there are computer vs computer matches with much higher accuracy.

Hopefully the rapid play offs will be exciting and we can look forward to some horrific blunders.

May-28-12  Ulhumbrus: 17...e4 may lead to a draw after 18 dxe4 dxc4 19 bxc4 Bxc4 20 Re1. After 17...Be7 White has been given a tempo to remove his rook from the f1-a6 diagonal by 18 Re1 or to cover the c4 pawn again by 18 Nd2. He may also play 18 Be3 clearing the c1 square for his king's rook after 18...e4 19 dxe4 dxc4 20 bxc4 Bxc4 21 Rfc1
May-28-12
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  Richard Taylor: The position is quite unbalanced and not boring at all
May-28-12  Strongest Force: This is a win 4 Vishy only if Gelfy lose his cool. Like my game with the 3-pawns-up dude, gelfy must stay away from trades.
May-28-12
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  Natalia Pogonina: @Jen On the Internet there is news about the match, but very brief posts. Either the result only, or some rather unprofessional commentary (excluding chess websites). I don't watch TV much, but I've heard that in a popular news program they are spending 4 minutes each playing day trying to offer an analysis of the game. However, I wouldn't say there is "chess fever" going on.
May-28-12
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  ketchuplover: Jen-How about an armageddon game before the meat of the match?
May-28-12
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  JenShahade: <kingscrusher Jrobichess on Youtube had it right when he said a lot of the excitement in chess is caused by blunders> I agree with this! However, it seems that most chess fans are highly attracted to games by the very top players and the only way to get elite players to blunder is to speed things up or play blindfold!
May-28-12
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  SteinitzLives: If a game should appear boring, just look at the side variations, don't let the principles apparent in the position dominate your boredom monitor.
May-28-12
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  sorokahdeen: @Love that joker:

I read a lot of books on chess once upon a time and if you don't mind my saying so, you might find it better in the long run to concentrate on the middle-game. For amateurs like your humble narrator, studying openings can be a trap because after pouring over endless variations and sub-variations, you can get advantageous positions and then have no earthly idea what to do with them and stronger players who can play the middle game wear away your advantage and you can't stop them because you don't know what to do.

One book on the middle game that I found very clear and very tremendously useful was "The Middle-Game in Chess" by E.A. Znosko-Borowski. It has a few simple ideas and techniques for assessing positions and moves that were worth a couple of hundred rating points for me in one reading.

May-28-12
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  Richard Taylor: Error..without error there is nothing in chess or life
May-28-12  Hesam7: The line Kramnik mentioned for Black does not work: 18. ... h6 19. h5 d4 20. Bd2 Bc8 21. Nh4! Bg4 22. f4 Bxh5 23. fxe5 Be2 24. e6+ Kh8


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And White can choose from Ng6, Nf5 & Rf2 ...

May-28-12
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  Sneaky: I suggest we deprive the players of sleep and feed them psychotropic drugs to encourage more fighting chess and less draws :)
May-28-12  Bobby Fiske: <<moronovich:> <Bobby Fiske: Question: Exactly where did Anand benfit from his vaste "match experience" in this match versus Gelfand?> 8-Bd7 !? in the first Nimzo.And the opening to day could be justified as exampels.> But, isnt this just a result of strong opening preparations, which is available to all WC match players due to the time and money at disposal prior to a match?
May-28-12
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  kingscrusher: <JenShahade:> Basically yes - it seems high profile games are a form of slavery. There is no other context where people would choose to watch (or in my case video-annotate) uninteresting games. However sometimes people like Ray Keene organise televised Rapid chess and those are watched and enjoyed by masses. We even see in those Kasparov-Short encounters, opposite side castling games, and simultaneous attacks on both sides of the board.
May-28-12  blue wave: Well, I'm enjoying the games.

I'm just afraid they are going to shake hands and say draw again.

May-28-12
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  Natalia Pogonina: <kingscrusher> Sorry, but I guess that your marathons of blitz and bullet chess are taking a toll on your perception of the game. Every time you see a chess position you are starting to look for tactics and simple 2-3 move setups and tricks. That is very typical of people who are blitz addicts or park hustlers, but is very far from what classical chess, especially at top level, is about.
May-28-12  MrSpock: <Natalia Pogonina> The bigest chess fever was 1972 (Fisher - Spassky) just every ordinary newspaper printed every game the next day. But I'm happy that the cold war is over.
May-28-12
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  Richard Taylor: Kramnik was only suggesting ideas.
May-28-12
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  Honza Cervenka: <JenShahade: It's funny that everyone complains about how boring this match is (with such careful and often accurate play) but also complain about the prospect of a playoff, which will certainly be very wild & random. Chess fans can be a demanding bunch :)>

I am not complaining about the character of play, though I would say that both players up to this time clearly preferred safety over drive to win and that some games had been practically over even before they really started. But I am very unhappy with the idea of tie-break played in rapid or even blitz and "armageddon" format. That's insane way to decide the match for classical World Champion in my view.

May-28-12  dcj1955: Kramnik expects d4 and a draw to come from it.
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