Sergey Karjakin vs Magnus Carlsen (2016)

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Sergey Karjakin vs Magnus Carlsen
Carlsen - Karjakin World Championship Match (2016), New York, NY USA, rd 2, Nov-12
Spanish Game: Closed. Martinez Variation (C78) · 1/2-1/2

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Nov-12-16		not not: maybe Knight e2 and then g3? better later than never for white? or I am missing some tactics?

Nov-12-16		Ulhumbrus: The originator of the principle of moving the piece placed worst was Adolf Andersson and it was practised and quoted more than once by Lasker who can perhaps be called one of the great classical players.

Nov-12-16		Domdaniel: <Rama> - < This sort of thing is why I played the French.> Mais oui, exactement, mon ami! Vive La Defense!

Nov-12-16		not not: maybe rook e1 and then knight transfer?

Nov-12-16		Keyser Soze: If anyone interested in chess evaluation.. http://analysis.sesse.net/

Nov-12-16		Keyser Soze: *engine evaluation

Nov-12-16		WannaBe: Speed's much better today, "auto refresh" working <GREAT>!! Kudos, CG.com

Nov-12-16		not not: this knight on c3 instead of g3 is such a joke...

Nov-12-16		Ulhumbrus: 13 b3 ejects the N on c4 and clears the b2 square for Bb2

Nov-12-16		Ron: 14 Qd3 seems ok for White

Nov-12-16		moronovich: <OhioChessFan: <moronovich> it seems to me White must exchange on e5 before the Ng3 plan is profitable.> Off course,these guys dont give pawns away for free.But try to imagine the white pos with a Knight on g3 instead of c3.

Nov-12-16		Domdaniel: <Ulhumbrus> - <Lasker ... can be called one of the great classical players> Yes, I agree ... but Lasker was also one of the great Moderns. He transcended his era -- unlike, say, Tarrasch. A literary equivalent might be Joseph Conrad -- both a great classical writer and a great modern novelist.

Nov-12-16		kingfu: I think a huge portion of computing power for Chessgames has been devoted to supporting this game. I went to Aeroflot 2016 to check out 12...Re8 and was told the server was busy. Back to the game!

Nov-12-16		Richard Taylor: <not not: normally white plays h3 (to avoid pin with black bishop), c3 (to bolster center), and then transfer knight to g3 (via d2 and f1) to start king side attack that's how Kasparov played it vs Karpov what is Karjakin's attacking plan? except of playing rook to a2 to go back to a1? > Yes. That is the main line. Kasparov and Karpov mostly, from memory played into the complex Zaitsev system. And what plan? I don't know but I think Steinitz played this kind of position with one idea to play Ne2 to g3. I think White is more quickly developed here than in those Re1 c3 lines. He'll probably play Re1. Maybe Qd3 and Rd1

Nov-12-16		Shams: <Domdaniel> And English was Conrad's third language, which just shows you should learn every opening when you are a beginning player.

Nov-12-16		An Englishman: Good Morning: Had to leave for a while and I seen almost nothing has changed. Black seems so unconcerned about his e5 pawn--13...Nc4 practically begs for b2-b3--yet White keeps finding excuses not to take.

Nov-12-16		not not: Carlsen sensed the blood - Karjakin unambitious play is provocative - go Magnus go, play c5 and press hard on queenside!

Nov-12-16		cormier: a4 or b3 ...

Nov-12-16		Ron: My impression, concerning closed Ruy Lopez games, is that White will not do badly by playing quiet positional moves in the opening, like the recently played Re1.

Nov-12-16		offramp: 14...Rc8 click for larger view I think Black is slightly better.

Nov-12-16		The Kings Domain: Both sides have made good solid moves so far. That's one thing about the Lopez, one needs to be patient in maintaining the right build up in order to have the upper hand should a breakthrough occurr.

Nov-12-16		Shams: I think van Kampen and Hansen are doing a fine job walking us through this opening. I didn't follow the recent court ruling about move transmission (nice work on that by the way, Daniel Freeman). Did the judge explicitly permit parallel live commentary as well?

Nov-12-16		Domdaniel: <Shams> - < And English was Conrad's third language, which just shows you should learn every opening when you are a beginning player.> I agree, absolutely. I played every opening in quick games when I was younger. But I've never played the Spanish/Ruy in a tournament game. For that matter, I haven't played either side of a 1.e4 e5 game in over 30 years. Some habits are best left behind.

Nov-12-16		you vs yourself: Can someone explain to me why Carlsen is ignoring the e5 pawn? What is the plan if Karjakin captures it?

Nov-12-16		Ulhumbrus: 14..Rc8 develops Black's worst place piece, his queen's rook. One justification for not taking action by 15 Qd3 is that 14...Rc8 has not taken action either

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