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| Nov-27-07 | | tdurda: Nice Pun!
Did I get this right with KOQ? |
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| Nov-27-07 | | Marmot PFL: I think Timmman is right, there are still good chances to draw if black makes any mistakes in this ending. |
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| Nov-27-07 | | CaptGeorge: I'm new here, but I agree with Marmot. I don't see any for white to win. Draw maybe, but only if black makes a mistake. |
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| Nov-27-07 | | dzechiel: Reading some of the comments, it appears that white may have resigned prematurely. But I think that white is losing another pawn in the next move or so. What can white do in this position? The knight can't move (or the bishop goes).
The bishop is pinned.
The rook is trapped.
So white must move the king or a pawn.
32 a3 or 32 a4 allows 32...Bxb3.
32 b3 allows 32...Bxa2.
Other moves allow
32...Ra1 and if the a-pawn moves (else 33...Rxa2), 33...Bxb3. This gives black material equality and leaves white with a sucky position. Black's bishop pair should probably be telling, but I agree there's a lot of play left here. |
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| Nov-27-07 | | ajile: I doubt present-day Chucky would play this passively and defensively if given another chance against Kasparov. |
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| Nov-27-07 | | dabearsrock1010: if the win isnt trivial for your opponent i dont understand why you would ever resign, but i have no idea about this position really, obviously black has initiative but white isnt losing any pieces and you know with rooks the technique is probably not so easy for black, at least to ensure a win |
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| Nov-27-07 | | rogermorin: the plan b-f8 b-a6 and b-c3 is overwhelming |
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| Nov-27-07 | | tyimfi: Nxf3+ threat on white queen after 22...Qe6 is nice, from what I can tell all of white's defenses favor black. But 23. Kf1 doesn't seem like the best move. e.g. 23. Bxc5 is a bad minor exchange for white but it seems a lot worse to me to trap the rook with Kf1. |
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| Nov-27-07 | | menhir: Good example of centralisation. I wonder where Chucky made his first mistake. Maybe by playing 15. Nd1? |
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| Nov-27-07 | | evenua: Hmm, why 23.Kf1 instead of much simpler 23.0-0? Could anyone please explain the reason behind? |
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| Nov-27-07 | | kevin86: While white's foeces are stuck,black's are poised to attack. Funny,but white is in fact a pawn ahead,but hopeless. |
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| Nov-27-07 | | tyimfi: <evenua> 23.0-0 still allows 23...Nxf3+ winning the queen with 24...Qxe3 (or 24...Bxf3 if 24. Qxf3). I was wondering above why not 23. Bxc5. That rook was trapped the rest of the game from Kf1 |
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Nov-27-07
 | | Phony Benoni: <evenua> As was mentioned earlier, 23.0-0 is much simpler. Black wins the queen with 23...Nxf3+, and that will probably be that. However, I don't know if <tyimfi>'s suggestion of 23.Bxe5 is a whole lot better. After 23...Bxe5 White still cannot cannot castle because of ...Bxh2+, and is a long way from untangling. Perhaps Ivanchuk was hoping he could still open the h-file for the rook if Kasparov would just leave him alone for a minute or two, but no such luck. |
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| Nov-27-07 | | Riverbeast: Great name for this game...Kasparov made Chucky HIS bride! |
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| Nov-27-07 | | tyimfi: (sorry, Bxe5 not c5)
<Phony Benoni> I did not see that Bxh2+, thanks. Maybe instead of castling right away he could have gotten that queen somewhere safer? I don't see any great places for it. Hmm, I guess settling for an h-file opening attempt is the "least bad" thing. |
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| Nov-27-07 | | hitman84: In the movie it was chuck who got lucky in the end :) |
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| Nov-27-07 | | patzer2: So, if I read all the posts correctly, the debate started by GM Timmerman in 1999 as to whether Ivanchuk resigned prematurely still continues. In the final position, Ivanchuk could have put up more of a fight and forced Kasparov to demonstrate Black's win. His reluctance to continue in an inferior position suggests an unwillingness to resist his strong opponent. In this game, perhaps the answer to the unspoken question "will you resign rather than continue to resist me?" was met with a still unspoken "Yes, I resign as I can no longer resist you!" -- much like the "yes I can no longer resist you" answer given by a future Bride to a persistent suitor asking "will you marry me?" So, <Chessgames.com>, is that your explanation for the game of the day pun "I Now Pronounce You Chuk and Garry?" |
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| Nov-27-07 | | patzer2: From a tactical perspective, I suppose it's possible Kasparov saw as early as 24...Rbc8, the possibility of setting a strong positional pin after 31...Rc1!  to  . Kasparov's plan seems to be to tie up
the White King side, and, while Ivanchuk tries to untangle himself from the pins, eat a pawn or two on the Queenside, while simultaneously preparing to demolish the pawn structure on the King side. Deep stuff! Hopefully, Gary has seen as deeply in his new polictical career in risking his life and fortune to fight the authoritarian Putin regime to bring about true Democracy in Russia. Of course, with Gary in Jail, and all the power in the hands of Putin and his corrupt judicial system, it would appear it is now Kasparov who is fighting on in the inferior position. Yet, with the truth and world opinion on his side, Gary may yet pull off a swindle and help bring about an end to the Putin regime and facilitate the establishment of a real democracy there. |
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| Nov-27-07 | | patzer2: A good article about the gamble Gary Kasparov is taking in personally resisting Putin's authoritarian regime can be found at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy.... There's a good article summarizing the general European reaction at http://www.reuters.com/article/poli.... An article explaining Putin's actions taken to keep Russia a one party state under his control can be found at http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1127/.... |
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| Nov-27-07 | | zealouspawn: thanks patzer2, articles much appreciated. |
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Nov-27-07
| | Phony Benoni: <patzer2> I doubt there's any deep political meaning to the pun. This link probably explains what was meant: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0762107/ |
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| Nov-27-07 | | InspiredByMorphy: I don't understand. 32.Kf1 then what? |
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| Nov-27-07 | | Riverbeast: If 32. Kf1, then 32... Bd4 looks strong, keeping white in the yoke. If 33. Nd3 Ra1. |
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| Nov-27-07 | | patzer2: <InspiredByMorphy: I don't understand. 32.Kf1 then what?> See <Honza Cervenka's> analysis at page one. |
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Nov-27-07
 | | Jimfromprovidence: I don’t see any way white stays even in this game.
How do you keep black from winning material?
If 32 h4 then 32…Bd4 33 Kf1 Ra1 34 hxg5 Rxa2 35 Ne4 Bxb3 36 Bxb3 Ra1+ 37 Ke2 Rxh1, and black is up the rook for bishop exchange. I believe you end up in the same place if White plays 32 Kf1 first. |
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