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|Aug-27-04|| ||Zenchess: <themindset> <Von Krolock> Well, it looks like everybody was wrong about 15...Nf5? because I don't know how Black saves himself after 16. Ngxh7. How would you continue as Black after this move? |
|Aug-27-04|| ||patzer2: <themindset> My Fritz 8 also shows a Black advantage after 15. Qf3?! Nf5! . However, as I force Fritz to play it out on infinite analysis, it chances the assessment and finds equalizing lines (strange how computer assessment can change so much from move to move in tactical open games). However, White can avoid these complications and practically force a draw with 15. Qh4!|
<vonkrolock> Thanks for the historical analysis. However, I think I've found an improvement. After 15.Qh5! Kg7 16.Qf7+ Kh6, White can and should take a perpetual with 17. Qh5+! (17. Ng4? Bxg4 18.Qf6 Kh5 19.Nf7 Ng8! ) 17...Kg7 18. Qf7+ Kh6 18. Qh5+ Kg7 19. Qf7+ Kg7 =.
So after the interesting 12. Bxf6!?, it would seem White can force a draw by perpetual (or gain an advantage otherwise). Against a higher rated opponent, it's not a bad option.
|Aug-27-04|| ||acirce: <Zenchess><it looks like everybody was wrong about 15...Nf5? because I don't know how Black saves himself after 16. Ngxh7. How would you continue as Black after this move?> What do you play on 16..Rxh7 17.Nxh7+ Kg8 18.exf5 Qe7 ? |
|Aug-27-04|| ||kevin86: I like the ending;it looks like white has ALL of his pieces en prise at some point in this one. Plus,it's always great to see a queen sac followed by a pawn mate. |
|Aug-27-04|| ||IMDONE4: really nice game 4 some1 2 play over 100 years ago |
|Aug-27-04|| ||Zenchess: <acirce> 19. Qh5 Qxh7 20. Qe8+ Kg7 21. Rae1 will win either the queen or the rook. |
|Aug-27-04|| ||sneaky pete: Mr.L is better known as Leverson, but when I do a quick search for Leverson
cg.com says "sorry, we can not interpret your search". Now there's a mystery! |
|Aug-27-04|| ||Zenchess: Maybe poor old NN's real last name started with an L :) |
|Aug-27-04|| ||acirce: <19. Qh5 Qxh7 20. Qe8+ Kg7 21. Rae1 will win either the queen or the rook.>|
I'm not even sure Black loses after 21..Bf5 (it will be very complicated), but I would play 19..Qf7 instead of 19..Qxh7?!
|Aug-27-04|| ||Zenchess: <acirce> 19...Qf7 doesn't look as obvious as I thought; this leads to a very unclear ending. After 20. Qg5+ Qg7 21. Rac1, Black has a choice:|
A: 21...Kxh7 loses to 22. Qh5+ Qh6 23. Qe8 d5 24. Rc3 Nd6 25. Qe7+;
B: 21...Qxg5 leads to an unclear ending: 22. Nxg5 d5 23. g4 Bxd4 24. Rfd1 Bb2 25. Rc2 c6. Whoever has the quicker passers will win this ending.
|Aug-28-04|| ||vonKrolock: <patzer2> The perpetual 17.Qh5 etc is well known since at least 1870 (but is always meritorious to discover it...): for that reason J. Minckwitz in 1871 proposed 17.Ng4!?, a move that was discussed whith some lenght in German magazines from that period - it have some practical value since a 1870's patzer (like their descendants) would not play always like a 2004's computer... |
|Aug-28-04|| ||sneaky pete: According to Cafferty and Harding the refutation of 17.Ng4+ .. given yesterday by <patzer2> was (maybe not invented, but) first published in 1906 by one Major Edwin Greig in a book <Chess Recipes>. |
|Aug-28-04|| ||acirce: <21...Qxg5 leads to an unclear ending> Yes, I don't dare utter a certain opinion on that even if I prefer Black by gut feeling!|
21.Qd8+ Kxh7 22.Qh4+ seems to draw if White would want to avoid that.
|Sep-11-04|| ||Knight13: 11...f6 is too late because of the white knight is on d5. Good game. |
|Jan-15-05|| ||aw1988: <Knight13> There is nothing wrong with f6. |
|Apr-14-06|| ||IMDONE4: Rab1!! is a beautiful move, but as Blackburne states, NF5 seems to give black a better game, sacrificing a knight to get his king into safety. However, blackburne played a risky Evan's Gambit, and might have lost to better play on the side of black.|
|Dec-12-07|| ||wouldpusher: 14. ... ♘g8! would have been more interesting. 15. ♘gxh7+ ♖xh7 16. ♘xh7+ ♔g7 17. ♗xg8 ♕xg8 18. ♘g5 ♘c6 19. d5 ♘e5 |
|Apr-17-08|| ||Whitehat1963: What a great game! Maybe they call him Mr. L because he tries to win by using the knights almost exclusively. Too bad it didn't work here.|
|Feb-15-09|| ||WhiteRook48: who is "Mr. L?"|
|Apr-17-09|| ||WhiteRook48: he's NN|
|Aug-04-10|| ||DarthStapler: Death Note reference?|
|Nov-10-10|| ||hedgeh0g: Related to Mr. T?|
|Mar-09-14|| ||Whitehat1963: Black played like L.|
|Oct-08-14|| ||SpiritedReposte: Took an L on this one.|
|Jun-01-19|| ||MissScarlett: Black was identified as <Mr. Leverson> from the earliest known publication of the game - the <ILN> of February 20th 1886, p.195. - and in Ellis's <Chess Sparks> (London, 1895), so <Mr. L> (and the incorrect 1886) surely originate with the collection <Mr. Blackburnes Games at Chess> (1899).|
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