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Joseph Blackburne vs H Stelling
Simul, 22b (1886) (exhibition), Manchester ENG, Oct-01
Vienna Game: Vienna Gambit. Steinitz Gambit (C25)  ·  1-0

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Jan-22-06  Chessography: Fantastic forcing of promotion on d8.
9... Qxb2? was a noteworthy blunder and 12... Bb4?? plausible but even worse.
Oct-18-08  thebribri8: What an amazing game! "He who laughs last laughs best."
May-07-15  DanielHoseano: Is'nt this checkmate?
May-07-15
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  Sally Simpson: Not mate yet Daniel, Black has 17...Bxd6 then 18.Qxd6 is checkmate.

One of the rare, infact very rare, cases where the winner in a game v N.N. has two Queens on the board. You would think if one side was going to have two Queens then it would be N.N. and N.N. would lose.

Sporting of Black here...


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...to play 14...Kxc7. 14...Ke7 would still win for White but there is no (none that I can see right away) clear cut clean crisp finish as happened in the game.

But there again N.N. was always the sporting type of player. I see here

search "N.N".

he actually has his own page and has even a wins v Alekhine and Kasparov.

'The Best of Games of N.N.' is a chess book just waiting to be published.

May-16-15  DanielHoseano: But, I don't see the bishop? The bishop is dead
Feb-17-20
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  MissScarlett: C.N. #2047 (dates from 1994):

<A favourite Blackburne brilliancy from pages 182-183 of <Mr Blackburne's Games at Chess> by P. Anderson Graham:

[above score]

No date is given, but the book's chronological order suggests 1894 or 1895. In fact, the score had already been published much earlier in a number of sources, such as pages 44-45 of the 15 December 1886 issue of the <Brooklyn Chess Chronicle> and pages 171-172 of the <Columbia Chess Chronicle> of 2 June 1888; Blackburne's opponent was identified as H. Stelling, and the occasion indicated as a 22-board simultaneous exhibition in Manchester. Moreover, the conclusion was given as the less spectacular <14...Ke7 15.d8=Q+ Resigns>; the finish published in the Blackburne book is in the <Columbia Chess Chronicle>'s notes.>

Manchester Evening News, October 2nd 1886, p.2:

<MR. J.H. BLACKBURNE AT THE MANCHESTER CHESS CLUB. - The local chess season was opened last evening, when Mr. J. H. Blackburne played twenty-two games simultaneously against as many opponents (including a lady visitor) at the Manchester Chess Club. After nearly four hours' play Mr. Blackburne defeated 17 of his opponents, and drew with five, viz., Messrs. J. Thompson, R. B. Hardman, E. Haslam, J. Green, and H. W. Hart. With one gentleman (Mr. H. Stelling) Mr. Blackburne played two extra games, of which he won one and drew the other. Arrangements have been made for a match between Mr. Blackburne and Mr. A. Burn, to commence at Liverpool, probably on the 25th inst.>

Did Stelling also play in the simul? It's unclear if this should be marked 'Simul' or 'Casual'.

Where was this game first published? That might explain the route by which the game made its way to Brooklyn by December.

Jan-21-21
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  mifralu: < MissScarlett: Did Stelling also play in the simul? It's unclear if this should be marked 'Simul' or 'Casual'.

Where was this game first published? >

Simul 22b, Manchester Post

http://www.chessarch.com/excavation...

Sep-21-23
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  jnpope: Famous game printed in several publications on this side of the pond.

It can also be found in the <Chess Player's Chronicle>, v10 n323, 10 November 1886, p116.

Why isn't it in Harding's book on Blackburne?
Sep-21-23
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  MissScarlett: Harding's book wasn't intended as a complete games' collection.
Sep-21-23
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  jnpope: I'm not dinging him on completeness, but I would think a relatively famous game would have been included.
Sep-21-23
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  MissScarlett: Call it perverse, but I think he left out games on that account.
Sep-21-23
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  jnpope: It looks like he didn't include any games for Oct-Dec 1886. Perhaps a spacial concern?
Sep-21-23
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  MissScarlett: Do you have a particular interest in that period?
Sep-21-23
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  jnpope: Nothing in particular, just adding columns from that period to the CA site and spot checking games. I was curious what Harding said about this game and I was surprised to find a "hole" of several months (from the end of Sep 1886 to mid-Mar 1887). It's a good book covering Blackburne's tournament career, but I wouldn't designate it as being authoritative at this point. Lots of fertile ground for discoveries left to be made.
Sep-22-23  Nosnibor: <jnpope> According to Harding`s book this game was one of two games played in a set match after the simul. which Blackburne won with one win and one draw. The game in the simul indicates that Blackburne won in 15 moves and therefore it is shown incorrectly here as a simul.
Sep-22-23
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  jnpope: <Nosnibor>: All of the contemporary sources have this game ending 15.d8Q and Black resigned. I'm not sure where/when the additional moves got tacked onto the score. Does anyone have access to the Manchester Weekly Post?
Sep-22-23
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  MissScarlett: <The game in the simul indicates that Blackburne won in 15 moves and therefore it is shown incorrectly here as a simul.>

Who/what indicates that a simul game between the two ended in 15 moves?

<I was curious what Harding said about this game and I was surprised to find a "hole" of several months (from the end of Sep 1886 to mid-Mar 1887).>

No games but he gives quite a detailed account of Blackburne's tour of the provinces. I don't understand your objection.

Sep-22-23
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  jnpope: I would have expected a few games from that five and one-half month period. I'm not expecting a "complete games collection", but I would have appreciated a few of Blackburne's best games from those performances. That's just me, I'm sure space was a concern and things had to be omitted which must be the case as Harding even mentions that all eight games from the Manchester Athanaeum performance were published in the November 6 column of the Manchester Weekly Post. The curse of physical limitations I guess.
Sep-22-23
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  MissScarlett: Look at other years, there's nothing unusual about Harding's coverage of this tour.
Sep-22-23
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  jnpope: It's a nice book for what it is, and that's really my only gripe, not enough representative games from those tours.

However, it would be nice to have a complete games collection on Blackburne being he was considered by some to be the World Champion between the 1881 Berlin tournament and 1882 Vienna tournament.

Sep-22-23
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  MissScarlett: <It's a nice book for what it is, and that's really my only gripe, not enough representative games from those tours.>

For everything else, there's <cg.com>.

Incidentally, I don't think I'm in Harding's good books since I made a crack about the war in Ukraine. Chess historians - for want of a better expression - are a touchy lot, you know.

Sep-22-23
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  jnpope: <touchy lot>

We are crazed lunatics one should not turn their back to.

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