|Jan-05-02|| ||bishop: Its hard to believe that Reuben Fine handled the White pieces! 8 Bxe4 was defenitly bad. Normally Fine would have seen 9...nxf2! in a speed game.|
|Jul-28-04|| ||patzer2: Fine's 9. Rxg7? looks like an error, well punished by Dake's 9...Nxf2!! reply. |
|Jul-29-04|| ||Calli: The explanation is simple. Fine was 16 years old at the time of this game. He was not yet the great Rueben. |
|Dec-09-11|| ||Penguincw: Black's position is very solid.|
|Mar-25-12|| ||Phony Benoni: Woodger's biography of Fine states that this game was played in a match. Fine had played the gambit <6.Nge2> earlier. Dake had not taken the pawn, eventually winning in around 70 moves. Afterwards, Dake did a little homework with the help of Al Horowitz, and this was the result.|
|Jul-04-19|| ||thegoodanarchist: Dake had a Reuben for lunch.|
|Jan-02-20|| ||RadioBoy: When Ruben wasn't so Fine.|
|Jan-02-20|| ||mel gibson: I thought 9...Q-f6
but according to Stockfish 10 that's
an almost even move.
Stockfish 10 agrees with the text move:
(9. .. Nxf2 (♘e4xf2 ♕d1-c2 ♕d8-h4 ♗c1-d2 ♗b4-d6
♖g7-g2 ♘f2-g4+ ♔e1-d1 f7-f5 ♔d1-c1 ♘b8-c6 a2-a3 O-O-O ♔c1-b1 ♕h4-h3 ♖g2-g1
♗d6xh2 ♖g1-e1 ♔c8-b7 ♔b1-a2 ♖h8-g8 ♕c2-a4 a7-a6 c4-c5 ♕h3-g2 ♖a1-d1 ♘g4-f2
♖d1-b1 ♘c6-e7 ♘e2-c1 ♕g2-c6 ♕a4-c4 ♘f2-e4 ♘c3xe4 ♕c6xe4 ♘c1-b3 ♕e4-d5
♕c4xd5+ ♘e7xd5 ♖e1-e2 ♗h2-g3 ♖e2-g2) +2.97/34 156)
score for Black +2.97 depth 34
|Jan-02-20|| ||Walter Glattke: 9.-Nxf2 10.Kxf2 Qf6+ 11.Nf4 Qxg7 wins|
|Jan-02-20|| ||agb2002: The black queen can attack g7 and f2. This suggests 9... Nxf2 (9... Qf6 10.Rg2 Qf3 11.Nf4):|
A) 10.Kxf2 Qf6+ 11.Nf4 Qxg7 12.Qf3 Nc6 and Black emerges with a decisive material advantage.
B) 10.Qa4(b3) Bf8 11.Rg2 Nd3+ and 12... Nxc1 wins a pawn but with a serious delay in development.
C) 10.Qc2 Qh4 seems to win a pawn at least.
|Jan-02-20|| ||stacase: |
So I went move for move for the first 5 moves up to 13...Qxg7 winning White's Rook. How far are we supposed to see these puzzles to say we got it?
|Jan-02-20|| ||saturn2: I preferred
9...Nxf2 10. Kxf2 Qf6+ exchange plus pawn
9...Qf6 10. Rg2 Qf3 11. Nf4 Qxd1+12. Kxd1 Nxc3+ -
13. bxc3 Bxc3 only pawn
|Jan-02-20|| ||ajile: |
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Analysis by Rybka 3 32-bit : 19 ply
1. -+ (-1.42): 9...Nxf2 10.Qc2 Qh4 11.Ng3 Bf8 12.Rxf7 Ng4 13.Rf1 Nxh2 14.Qg2 Nxf1 15.Qxa8 Qxg3+ 16.Kxf1 c5
17.Qg2 Qg6 18.Qxg6+ hxg6 19.Kg2 Rh4 20.dxc5 Bxc5 21.b3 Nc6 22.Nb5 Kd8 23.Bb2 Re4
2. ³ (-0.54): 9...Qh4 10.Rg2 Nc6 11.Bd2 0-0-0 12.Nxe4 Qxe4 13.Rg1 Bd6 14.Nc3 Qf5 15.Qg4 Qxg4 16.Rxg4 f5
17.Rg7 Rdg8 18.Rxg8+ Rxg8 19.Ke2 a6 20.h3 Rg2 21.Rh1 Kb7 22.Kf3 Rg8
|Jan-02-20|| ||Andrew Chapman: 11.Ng3 a big improvement for White - see ajile's line above.|
|Jan-02-20|| ||TheaN: Black starts a promising demolish with <9....Nxf2>, whereas 10.Kxf2?! Qf6+ 11.Nf4 Qxg7 -+ is not really playable. |
After 10.Qc2 Qh4 ∓ should keep the advantage, trying to abuse the power of the e1-h4 diagonal.
Perhaps the 'trickiest' move (not necessarily best) is 10.Qa4, where 10....Nc6! works, on account of 11.d5?! Nd3+! 12.Kd2 Nce5 -+ and all Black pieces are anchored.
All in all Black isn't definitely winning after 9....Nxf2, but he's up a pawn and White's setup clearly failed.
|Jan-02-20|| ||TheaN: 9....Nxf2 10.Qa4 Nc6! 11.d5 Nd3+ 12.Kd2 (Kd1 objectively better but for optical purposes) Nce5 -+|
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This is actually a brilliant sight to behold. White's completely hopeless against the piece triangle: the knights are defending each other (and their companion) whilst on outposts and the bishop can retreat in case of a potential a3 or Nf4.
|Jan-02-20|| ||chrisowen: Hikeroof hivebuff nf2buffy fluiddip vintbuff recindum qc2buffy citebuff vintbuff qh4buff huffbuff kf1buffy fluffdip dudlinky 11Ng4 bodduffy gungbuff 1 it lowumump vowumump vimumump lineumum peterout guildbid 2 3 it lowumump vowumump vimumump relineum ng3buffy givegung duhlidum 12.Nf4 fluidimp 2 3 it lowumump vowumump vimumump relineum qf6buffy fluffdip kg1buffy gungbind eitherup 13.Ke1 hoodroom evermore vintbuff 4 it lowumump vowumump vimumump relineum 13Qg7 gunghind blubband ventroom 6 7 it lowumump vowumump vimumump relineum hikeroof jelloits it's vastbuff vintrook honouram guppybud metcasty bonkzits gyrateum deweyvin it's vastbuff nf2buffy fluiddip funbuddy vintbuff vowumump vimumump bonfirey buffvint flungump givegung guffbind flubbvid citevint 9.Bd2 dubbinty 0 1 it lowumump vowumump vimumump citevint 9.Rxg7 gunghind 1 it lowumump vowumump vimumump umsumump feelvide citevide huffbuff givebuff bandbuff hikeroom hivebuff nf2buffy fluiddip;|
|Jan-02-20|| ||Lambda: <How far are we supposed to see these puzzles to say we got it?>|
You need to see up to the point of clear and stable advantage. (For puzzles which aren't about finding the draw or avoiding the tempter.)
In this case, that's not very far, because as soon as you see white can't recapture the knight or so anything tricky, it's just winning a pawn at minimum.
If it's sacrificing a piece for a king hunt, on the other hand, you might need to see all twenty moves to mate in all variations, because if the king escapes, you're just a piece down.
|Jan-02-20|| ||chrisowen: Dake on a hot tin roof!|
|Jan-02-20|| ||dumbgai: Hard to believe the player with the white pieces went on to become one of the world's top grandmasters.|
|Jan-02-20|| ||Breunor: I found it much easier than Monday!|
|Jan-02-20|| ||TheBish: More precise was 15...Nxh2! 16. Kxh2 Rg8, with mate to follow soon.|
|Jan-02-20|| ||stacase: <Jan-02-20 Lambda:>
Thanks for all the ink (-:
<Breunor: I found it much easier than Monday!>
I did too.
|Jan-02-20|| ||RandomVisitor: After 9.Rxg7
In this variation the white king runs and hides on the queenside. Black ends up two pawns up.
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<55/83 4:33:08 146,209,792k 8,922k -3.45 9. ... Nxf2 10.Qc2 Qh4 11.Bd2> Bd6 12.Rg2 Ng4+ 13.Kd1 Rg8 14.Kc1 Nc6 15.Qe4 0-0-0 16.Nb5 Bxh2 17.Qf3 Kb8 18.b3 a6 19.Nbc3 Bd6 20.Kb2 f5 21.Rag1 Nh2 22.Qf2 Qxf2 23.Rxf2 Rxg1 24.Nxg1 Rg8 25.Nce2 Ng4 26.Rg2 h5 27.Nh3 h4 28.Kb1 Bb4 29.Bxb4 Nxb4 30.Neg1 Rh8 31.Re2 c5 32.Nf3 Nc6 33.Kc1 Kc7 34.Kd2 Nf6 35.dxc5 bxc5 36.Rh2 Nb4 37.Nhg5 Nxa2 38.Rxh4 Rxh4 39.Nxh4 Nb4 40.Nf7 Nc6 41.Ke2 Ng4 42.Nf3 a5 43.N7g5