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| Mar-08-06 | | RandomVisitor: Best play in this game could be 26...Re8 27.Rxh7 Re7 28.Rh8 Qxa2 29.Rc1 Qc4 which Rybka scores as -1.01/19. The Rxg2 line would be my preferred choice in over-the-board play - it scores roughly -1.00. |
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Mar-08-06
 | | Pawn and Two: I agree with those who say 22...Rxg2 23. Qxg2 Q-e3+ 24. Q-e2 B-h4+ 25. R-f2 Bxf2+ 26. K-f1 Bxd3 27. Rxd3 Qxe2+ 28. Kxe2 B-c5 offered better winning chances than the spectacular 22...R-g3. In my previous post, I was unable to find, using Fritz 9, a winning line for Black after 22...R-g3. Black had the advantage, but I could not find a conclusive line. In the actual game, Mieses erred on both of his 26th and 27th moves and found himself in a lost position. Reggio should have then have played 28. R-c1! R-c8 29. a4 K-b6 30. B-d4+ K-a5 31. R-c3. According to Fritz 9, at 20 ply, this leads to a winning Rook and Pawn endgame for White. |
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| Mar-08-06 | | RandomVisitor: <Pawn and Two>I have not found a winning line for Black either. This does not mean there isn't one. I started an analysis on my PC at home of the position after 26.Rh1 this morning and I will see what it comes up with when I come home from work. White has active pieces and can put up resistance. |
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| Mar-08-06 | | RandomVisitor: So the big question is, which position is better for Black, the one after the Rxg2 line
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| Mar-08-06 | | Sami Jr: <RandomVisitor> I prefer the Rg3 line which was actually played. I think having the Q is an advantage over a R+B as it can do many forking checks which can capture many of white's pieces. In addition white's B is severely handicapped when black's K is in a white square. |
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| Mar-08-06 | | Count Dracula: Fang You very much!! |
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Mar-08-06
 | | al wazir: <Marco65>: Thanks. That makes me feel a little better about 22...Bh4+, but not a whole lot. I think that pony is still running loose. |
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Mar-08-06
 | | Richard Taylor: < raydot: <Richard Taylor>"Epaulette Mate," who knew there was a name for it? You learn something new every day...> I was runner up in a Schoolboy (called in those days)tournament in about 1960 (lol!) and I got a book called "The Art of Check Mate" by Victor Kahn and Renaud - an invaluable book -most of the mates are classifed - there is also a book by Tal and Krogius I think - it has hundreds of mate configurations. But I could see that Bh4+ or Rxg2 were candidates but after 22. ... Bh4+ 23. Kd2 Qxb2+!? 24. Bxb2 Rxb2+ 25. Kc1 (not 25. Kc3 as Bf6 is mate!!) Rc8+ 26. KxR Bf6+ 27. Kb1 in thsi line I couldnt find a win - the I saw that Rg3! forces mate or wins the Q (for a R and B) I also thought that 22. ... Rxg2 won. But White has 23. Rd2. |
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Mar-08-06
| | Richard Taylor: It may be that objectively Rg3 is not the best but it is so beautiful - who cares!! |
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Mar-08-06
| | Pawn and Two: In addition to 22...R-g3 and 22...Rxg2, I note others have suggested 22...B-h4+ 23. K-e2 d4. In this last variation, White should be able to hold the position with 24. Qxh4. This was an exciting game with the advantage changing hands several times. Even as late as move 29, Reggio had a chance to hold the position. Instead of 29. Rxd5+, Reggio should have played 29. a4!. Fritz 9 evaluates the position at move 29 as (-.29) (18 ply)and gives the following line: 29. a4 K-c5 30. R-h7 Qxa4 31. Rxa7 (Fritz 9 rates this position as (.00) (18 ply). Thanks to Mieses and Reggio, we have had a great game to discuss and analyze. |
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| Mar-08-06 | | RandomVisitor: <Richard Taylor>Let's not get carried away. The goal here is to find the best move - not the prettiest. |
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| Mar-09-06 | | Marco65: <Pawn and Two> After 22...Bh4+ 23.Ke2 d4 I don't like your proposed 24.Qxh4 because of Rxg2+. I still prefer 24.Bxd4. |
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Mar-09-06
| | Pawn and Two: <Marco65> After 22...Bh4+ 23.Ke2 d4 24.Bxd4? Qxd4! wins for Black. However, after 22...Bh4+ 23.Ke2 d4 24. Qxh4 Rxg2+ 25.Rf2 Rxf2+ 26.Qxf2 dxc3 27.Bxa6+. Now Black's King has to move, next the Queens will be exchanged and White then has a winning ending. |
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| Mar-09-06 | | Marco65: <Pawn and Two> Have you find an improvement for Black in the line I analyzed in an earlier post? It was 22...Bh4+ 23.Ke2 d4 24.Bxd4 Qxd4 25.Bxa6 Rxb2+ 26.Kf3 Rf2+! 27.Rxf2 Qxd1+ 28.Re2 Qd5+ 29.Ke3 Qe4+ 30.Kd2 Qxf4+ and I said "seems better for Black but not clearly winning in my opinion" |
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Mar-09-06
| | Pawn and Two: <Marco 65> In your line 22...Bh4+ 23.Ke2 d4 24. Bxd4?? Qxd4! 25. Bxa6 Rxb2 26. Kf3 Rf2+! 27. Rxf2 Qxd1+ 28. Re2 Rg4! looks like the winner. If then 29. g3 Qd5+ 30. Ke3 Qc5+ 31. Kd2 Qa5+ picks off the Bishop and wins. This was a fascinating game, mistakes and all. |
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| Mar-10-06 | | Marco65: <Pawn and Two> I'm not fully convinced. In the first place after g3 also Black's bishop is "en prise". Moreover after 22...Bh4+ 23.Ke2 d4 24.Bxd4 Qxd4 25.Bxa6 Rxb2 26.Kf3 Rf2+! 27.Rxf2 Qxd1+ 28.Re2 Rg4 29.g3 (not forced but probably best) Qd5+ white king can escape with 30.Kf2 Qc5+ 31.Kf1, what do you think of that? |
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Mar-10-06
| | Pawn and Two: <Marco65> In your line 22...Bh4+ 23. Ke2 d4 24.Bxd4?? Qxd4 25.Bxa6 Rxb2+ 26.Kf3 Rf2+! 27.Rxf2 Qxd1+ 28.Re2 Rg4! 29. g3 Qd5+ if now White plays 30. Kf2, then 30...Rxf4+ and Black wins. |
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| Mar-14-06 | | patzer2: The puzzle solution 22...Rg3!! prepares 23...Bh4!, utilizing two consecutive decoys to give Black a strong attack on the uncastled White King. |
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| Nov-01-12 | | outplayer: Objectively, 14.0-0-0 is a better move. |
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| Jan-30-15 | | poorthylacine: It seems 22...Rg3!!! was really the best move, a stroke of a genius, but later Black began to sway by playing 26...Rg8?! instead of ...Re8!? in order to counter 27.Rxh7+ by the answer 27...Re7! and Black would have kept an edge...
Because instead 28. Rh6? White in the game could have played in a stronger way by 28.Rc1! Excuse me if some kibitzer gave already this variations. |
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| Feb-16-18 | | Ironmanth: Nice game! |
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| Feb-16-18 | | thegoodanarchist: I submitted a Mieses game with this same pun, YEARS ago. Then, a year or two later, I deleted the pun from my list, along with some others that I regretted after a second thought on the matter. I don't recall if it was this game that I submitted, or not. But someone was thinking along the same line I was, it seems, and got the regrettable pun approved somehow. Well, on third thought, it isn't such a bad pun. |
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| Feb-16-18 | | Swedish Logician: A year and half later Mieses tried 8. - f5 instead of 8. - Qc7. against Ossip Bernstein O Bernstein vs J Mieses, 1904, but he cannot have been pleased by the result. Berstein's turned that game into a famous positonal masterpiece by means of a lucid black-square straight-jacket bind. |
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Mar-28-18
 | | tpstar: Black to Play and Win after 22. Bd3.
A great empty square sacrifice. =) |
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| Jan-08-19 | | HarryP: "The Golden Treasury of Chess" calls this "The Game with a Wonderful Move." The move, of course, is 22... Rg3!! And it IS wonderful. |
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