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Feb-20-23 | | King.Arthur.Brazil: Ooops... for sure I must saw this game before, it was here in São Paulo(Brazil). Thanks for homage! That time, there was a Brazilian chess magazine called "P4D" (pawn d4, although had another meaning for us in Portuguese, like: pawn at 4th of the Queen column, in a descriptive nomenclature), where some games of this zonal were listed, like this one for sure. |
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Feb-20-23
 | | Willber G: <Brenin: 34 ... Rxb3+ 35 cxb3 Be4+ 36 Be4+ Qxe4 37 Qxe4+ Kc1 38 Qe3+ and 39 Qxh3.> 36 ... Qxb3+ 37 Kc1 Bg5+ is quicker. |
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Feb-20-23
 | | takebackok: I flipped the board, then didn't see the rook so i got 34) Q-e1+ N-c1 35) Q-c3. What do they say when you find a good move, look for a better one. |
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Feb-20-23 | | Allderdice83: 34 ... Rxb3+ is good, but isn't 34 ... Qe1+ 35. Nc1 Qc3 even better? Black is threatening mate on b2 and a1, and the only way I see for White to stop it is 36. Qxf6+ Qxf6 leaving Black up a Q and R for a N, with mate to follow shortly. |
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Feb-20-23 | | mel gibson: Too easy - LOL. |
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Feb-20-23 | | jrredfield: <Allderdice83: 34 ... Rxb3+ is good, but isn't 34 ... Qe1+ 35. Nc1 Qc3 even better?> 34 ... Qe1+ is a mate in 8:
35 Nc1 Rxb3+ 36 cxb3 Be4+ 37 Qxe4 Qxe4+ 38 Nd3 Qxd3+ 39 Kc1 Bc3 40 exf7 Qd2+ 41 Kb1 Qb2# 34 ... Rxb3+ is a mate in 5:
35 cxb3 Be4+ 36 Qxe4 Qxb3+ 37 Kc1 Bg5+ 38 Qf4 Bxf4# |
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Feb-20-23 | | agb2002: Black has a rook and a bishop for a knight and two pawns. White threatens mate in two.
The quickest option seems to be 34... Rxb3+ 35.cxb3 Be4+ 36.Qxe4 Qxb3+ (36... Qxe4+ 37.Kc1 Qe3+ 38.Kc2 Qxh3 39.exf7 Qxh6 is slower) 37.Kc1 Bg5+ and mate next. |
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Feb-20-23 | | Skewbrow: What's wrong with 34. Qe1+ Nc1 (forced) 35. Qc3 and to stop the mate from b2 or a1 (if 34..Nd4) White has to trade their queen for a bishop? |
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Feb-20-23 | | TheaN: For once I decided to look for the <better move> and saw the #5 in full: <34...Rxb3+ 35.cxb3 Be4+ 36.Qxe4> and now, rather than taking the queen, Black deflected the queen away from g5: <36....Qxb3+! 37.Kc1 Bg5+ with 38....BxQ#>. Nice demolition combo. |
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Feb-20-23 | | saturn2: What was the reason not to play 26....Bxh6? |
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Feb-20-23 | | sfm: I don't like 13.a3. That's just me. The engine says it is OK, but it is followed immediately by 13.-,Rb8 and 14.-,b4. White is still fine, I learn, but in my old days as chess instructor I'd have said something like 'unless you really know what you are doing, that move is likely to be a mistake'. As the game turns out I am - from my primitive instructive point of view - 'proven right'. |
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Feb-20-23 | | Teyss: Can you consider it as solved if you went for the obvious 36...Qxe4+ instead of the stronger Qxb3+ as some smart users managed to do? Definitely <yes> considering:
1. It's only Monday.
2. The game ends after 35...Be4+ so seeing up to there is good enough.
3. You can plead guilty of Queen grabbing gluttony.
4. I went for 36...Qxe4+.
5. There are still six days to go (this is not the same as #1).
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Feb-20-23 | | TheaN: < Teyss: Can you consider it as solved if you went for the obvious 36...Qxe4+ instead of the stronger Qxb3+ as some smart users managed to do? Definitely <yes> considering: 1. It's only Monday. 2. The game ends after 35...Be4+ so seeing up to there is good enough. 3. You can plead guilty of Queen grabbing gluttony. 4. I went for 36...Qxe4+.5. There are still six days to go (this is not the same as #1). > I love it how this progresses from "36....Qxe4+ is fine" to "I chose the wrong move please make it count" :> |
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Feb-20-23 | | TheaN: I mean, White's not exactly escaping a quick disaster anyway after Qxe4+ if you play it right: <36....Qxe4+?! 37.Kc1 Qe1+ 38.Kc2 Qe2+> forces so far. <39.Kc1> else Qb2# <39....Qxa2!>:
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Perhaps not the move you'd expect, but as it sets up Bg5+ with Qd2#, White's forced into <40.Kd1 Bc3! 41.Kc1 Qd2+ 41.Kb1 Qb2#> regardless. |
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Feb-20-23
 | | chrisowen: Oddly jezebel v it was hat quick Rxb3+ arrive oop doh it was axiom jug it was so arrive Rxb3+ flick... |
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Feb-20-23 | | eblunt: Went for the Q grab. TBH on the board I would always do that - a safe win straight away without risking miscalculating a mating pattern |
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Feb-20-23
 | | Fusilli: <Teyss: Can you consider it as solved if you went for the obvious 36...Qxe4+ instead of the stronger Qxb3+ as some smart users managed to do?> Yes. |
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Feb-20-23
 | | Honza Cervenka: 27.exf5?? was a howler. After 27.Rhg1 the game could have been still interesting. But 26...exf5 would have been better for black. |
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Feb-20-23 | | Damenlaeuferbauer: After long pondering, the very strong Argentine GM and friend of Robert James Fischer Miguel Quinteros finally found the nice rook sacrifice 34.-,Rxb3+! 35.cxb3,Be4+ 36.Qxe4,Qxe4+ 37.Kc1,Qh1+, winning the white bishop and the game. This is exactly the way how to win with the Najdorf Variation as black against the former main line 6.Bg5! |
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Feb-20-23
 | | Dionysius1: Ah, you witty POTD chooser you!
Both times, the "obvious" captures of 35...Qxb3+ and [36...Qxe4+] would be the wrong way to go :-) |
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Feb-20-23 | | SChesshevsky: < I don't like 13. a3...> Seems it is a question. The older typical reaction to hinder ...b4. Fischer thought it almost necessary in MSMG. Discussed in his games with Walther and Smyslov 1959. Though he does give ...Rb8 a !. Unfortunately, doesn't analyze further. Can see why Fischer has view. Probably did not trust tempo loss with ...b4 then Ne2. Tempo being so important in Najdorf. But now with computers, does look like white can get by with tempo loss being compensated by quick f4 and further forcing play and white is at least equal in the race. Haven't played with or against Najdorf mainline enough to have an opinion but does seem an interesting question. |
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Feb-20-23 | | Teyss: <TheaN> Damn, you uncovered my rhetorical ploy. Your line is interesting, better than mine rushing like a bull on the B: 36...Qxe4+ 37.Kc1 Qe3+ 38.Kmoves Qxh3 39.exf7 Qxh6. But I'm in good company, <Brenin> did the same. |
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Feb-20-23 | | Allderdice83: <jrredfield> Yes, I see that now. I was thinking 34. Rxb3+ 35. cxb3 Be4+ 36. Qxe4 Qxe4+. A nice criss-cross mate. |
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Feb-21-23 | | King.Arthur.Brazil: <Cervenka> The White situation seems bad all the way. See, after your proposal: 27. Rhg1 Bxe4 28. Nxe4 fxe4 29. Qe2 Bf6+ 30. Kb1. it follows 30...Qa5. Maybe, best would be 28. Qe2 Bf6. Black still has an strong attack. |
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Feb-21-23 | | Skewbrow: I still don't get it why many prefer 34. Rxb3 etc. to 34.. Qe1+ 35. Nc1 Qc3+ 36. Qxf6 Qxf6. In that line White has to trade their queen for a bishop. In the game line white gets a rook and bishop for a queen and a pawn. Why is that considered superior? |
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