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D Shirley vs John Kay
Xenia (1983), Xenia, OH USA
Italian Game: Two Knights Defense. Fried Liver Attack (C57)  ·  1-0

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Feb-09-04  Just Jim: An older line which is extremely risky for black. All the pins in the game eventually defeated black horribly.
Feb-09-04
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  technical draw: Amazing number of pins. I wonder what the record is?
Apr-13-05
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  al wazir: I think 10...Qc7 holds out a little longer. With the same moves 11 and 12, if white plays 13. O-O-O black can answer 13...Bd6 and is one tempo better off than in the game. Now if white continues 14. Rhe1, then 14...Rd8 15. Nxd5 cxd5 16. Qxd5+ Kf6 17. Bxe5+ Bxe5 18. Qxd8+ Qxd8 19.Rxd8 with an eventual win.

Of course on move 13 white can capture on d5 instead of castling. That leads to a win too.

Apr-05-06  blingice: God I hate this opening when I'm playing black. I want to slap the other person and say "PLAY CHESS NOW!" My problem is, I don't really know how to refute it. This resembles what happened to me at FICS today, and I lost in 14 moves.
Apr-06-06  MackTheTemp: look on chess.fm for video lectures on how to play the 2 knights game if u want to play this as black. it's not difficult to refute but can lead to a fairly equal and sharp game
Apr-11-06  moppa: As the Opening Explorer says, the blunder was 5. - Nxd5, white winning 83%. Two Knights is best as a gambit, and black should play 5.-Na5, b4 or Nd4
Sep-01-06  lopium: moppa, 5...b4? Do you mean b5? Seems losing a N to me, isnt it?
Oct-11-06  Leviathan: <lopium: Seems losing a N to me, isnt it?> Not really but the Ulvestad variation (5. exd5 b5?!) is surely one of the sharpest ways to handle the two knights defense.

I used to play this variation almost exclusively against 4.♘g5 in blitz because black usually answers naturally to it with 6.♗xb5(?) and then 6. .. ♕xd4 forces the bishop's retreat 7.♗f1 or the loss of the g2 pawn, and black has a sharp attack in any case.

I gave up playing it after a few losses in the 6.dxc6(!) bxc4 variation in which black's attacking chances seem too vague compared to the severe positional weaknesses he has to deal with.

For example:
1. e4 e5 2. ♘f3 ♘c6 3. ♗c4 ♘f6 4. ♘g5 d5 5. exd5 b5 6. dxc6 bxc4 7. ♘c3 ♗c5 8. ♕f3 O-O 9. O-O ♗g4 10. ♕g3 and black has very little.

I'd rather stick to the good old Giuoco piano against 3.♗c4 :)

Feb-04-08  Autoreparaturwerkbau: <technical draw> Is it possible to reach more than 5 pins, this is with Q, 2R, 2Bs? I mean, are other pieces piningable? Ok, of course you can have more queens than one...
Feb-05-08
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  technical draw: <Auto> You could probably set up a board with more than five pins, but I doubt it would occur in regular play.
Sep-18-12
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  Phony Benoni: For absolute pins (a pin of a piece against the king), the limit would be four with the regular complement of pieces since both bishops cannot execute an absolute pin at the same time. Something like this:


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After <1.Qe1+>, Black must walk into the fourth pin by interposing his bishop. He may have compensation, however.

Feb-02-21  belgradegambit: And don't call me Shirley.

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