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Kate Belinda Finn vs Wilfred Charles Palmer
Plymouth (1903), Plymouth ENG
Queen's Gambit Declined: Albin Countergambit. Alapin Variation (D08)  ·  0-1



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Feb-21-02  knight: 10.Qc2 instead of Qxb4?? seems to hold the position.
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  patzer2: Interestingly, after 5...Bf5 Fritz 8 evaluates Finn's line of play with 6. Nb3 Bb4+ 7. Bb2 Qe7 8. Nbxd4 Nxe4 as good for white.

However, at this point, white should have played 9. Nxe5! Fritz 8 analyses a clear white advantage after 9. Nxe5 Bxd2+ 10.Qxd2 Qxe5 11. Nxf5 Qxf5 12. Rd1 Nf6 13. f3 Kf8 14. e4 Re8 15. Qb4+ Kg8 16. Kd2 Qc8 17. Kc1 (+0.97 @ 16/49 depth & 721kN/s)

White's losing blunder was 10. Qxb4?? Necessary was 10. Qb3! Fritz analyzes a slight white advantage after 10. Qb3! Bxd2+ 11. Kxd2 Nf6 12. Kc1 Nfg4 13. Qxb7 Rd8 14. Qxa7 Nxf2 15. Rg1 Nxc4 16. e4 (+0.38 @ 16/49 depth & 721kN/s).

Oct-24-03  drukenknight: So fritz goes for the wholesale exchanges on move 9 and Finn goes for the attack. Does it suprise anyone that white is ahead in material at that pt?
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  patzer2: <drukenknight> Fritz is going for the clear positional advantage with 9. Nxe5, while Finn is going into unclear complications with 9. Qa4+. Now, 9. Qa4+ would have been OK with the correct followup of 10. Qb3. However, the complications in my opinion do not give white enough to justify not playing the stronger 9. Nxe5!

Yet given that both moves (9. Nxe5 and 9. Qa4+) lead to some white advantage, I suppose the choice could be considered a matter of taste. Players preferring a clear positional advantge might prefer 9. Nxe5, while players who like the attack and unclear complications with only a slight advantage might prefer 9. Qa4+.

Oct-24-03  drukenknight: i think its much simpler to just say when ahead in material look to exchange. I find in these queen side gambits when I have given up the pawn, I can safely exchange if I maintain a lead in development.
Feb-06-08  just a kid: Finn was a bad player because he couldn't see a simple fork!
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  Phony Benoni: Maybe somebody slipped him a Mickey.

More likely, he was disconcerted at losing to the six-year-old Marvin Palmer--who was in actuality Reverend W C Palmer. Or, rather, she was disconcerted--White was actually <Kate Belinda Finn>, who does not seem to be in the database as yet. (Source: Di Felice, <Chess Results 1901-1920>, p. 32).

So nobody seems to have been who they appeared to be in this game. I have submitted a correction.

Sep-20-09  morphyesque: Phony Benoni's comment about the Rev.W C Palmer ia quite absurd especially about his age.For chess enthusiasts they can see a photo of the real adult Rev W. C. Palmer at this URL: which is contained in an article about Charles Thomas Blanshard.My interest in the Rev.W.C.Palmer goes back to 1962 when I subscribed to the British Chess Magazine as a 16 year old.In the March 1962 magazine on p.76 is an appreciation of E G Sergeant (cousin to P W Sergeant of Morphy's best games fame) written by Bruce Hayden.He gives a game between the Rev.W C Palmer (white) and EGS (black) played in the British Championship held at Tunbridge Wells in 1908.Only adults could enter this competition.This game made a great impression on me - EGS checkmating WCP in 28 moves in a QGD after sacrificing his queen.Years later I contacted the BCM to obtain a copy of this issue as I had turned out a lot of my magazines when I left home.

The URL I quote clearly shows the Rev.W C Palmer as a youngish man in 1903 at the Southern Union Congress at Goodbody's Cafe, Bedford St. Plymouth in Sept. 1903.He is sitting front row, third from the right next to a Mrs Joughin.

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  Phony Benoni: <morphyesque> I think you have misunderstood me. I was referring to <Marvin Palmer> as being six years old at the time of the game in order to point out that he probably did not play it. I'm sorry if that wasn't clear.
Aug-18-12  Karpova: The 'Wiener Schachzeitung' comments on page 290 of the 1903 edition: <Diese rapide Niederlage dürfte einige Psychologen verleiten, die Partie als einen wertvollen Beitrag für das beliebte Kapitel "Inferiorität der weiblichen Intelligenz" anzusehen. Demgegenüber muß bemerkt werden, daß Miß Finn mit den Feinheiten des Schachspiels wohl vertraut ist und sich bei zahlreichen früheren Anlässen rühmlich hervorgethan hat.>

(this rapid loss will induce some psychologists to regard this game as an important contribution to the popular chapter "Inferiority of female intelligence". In contrast it has to be remarked that Miss Finn is familiar with the finesses of the game of chess and that she excelled laudably at numerous earlier occasions.)

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