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| Jun-12-04 | | acirce: I once won a nice game as White against 14...Qxg5+ 15. Qxg5 hxg5 16. g4 with great compensation; 14...Qa5 as in the game must be better. |
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| Jul-31-04 | | jsastre48: I thought of 32.Rc7+ which apears to be elegant, am I wrong? |
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Jul-31-04
 | | Gypsy: < jsastre48: I thought of 32.Rc7+ which apears to be elegant, am I wrong?> Then 32...Kd8 and Black is still in the game. He probably gets to put on a perpetual because 33.Qxf8+ Qxf8 34.Nb5 no longer works. |
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| Jul-31-04 | | themindset: having studied this game extensively in the past i can say without a doubt that that this not really a "solution", just a very esthetic way of winning a won position. |
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| Jul-31-04 | | kevin86: White's position is so strong that he can sac his queen for a rook-without losing any momentum. |
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| Jul-31-04 | | Lawrence: 32.♕xf8+ is Jim Dandy +9.42 but Junior 8 prefers <jsastre48>'s suggestion. 32.♖c7+ ♔xc7
33.♘b5+ ♔xc6
34.♘xa3 ♘d7
35.h6 eval +11.56 2 hour search while I was out in the garden searching for an "iguana" (lagarto) that had scared the living daylights out of my wife. (Found it, let it go out in the forest.) |
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| Jul-31-04 | | Lawrence: <Gypsy>, Junior says that 32.♖c7 ♔d8 would be followed by 33.♘xe6+ ♔e8 34.♕xg5 fxe6 35.♖b7 eval +28.53 |
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| Jul-31-04 | | Capafan9: <lawrence> I am with you here thats the variation that I came up with. It does work just as well but Leko's way was also very nice. |
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Jul-31-04
| | Gypsy: Great, <Lawrence>, I love the sense of humor these machines have! Not only they make a fool out of me, but they play coy. They taunt me. They give the obvious lines as being the objectively best, but they hide the lines I realy worry about! They have no compassion! :-) This is the case in point: After 32.Rc7+ Kd8, I rejected 33.Nxe6! for simple 33...fxe6. In this position, I saw no obvious immediate mate to Black king, while White king now realy has to watch out (else 34...Qc1+ 35.Ke2 Qd2#). But does Junior 8 tell you what is the trick? Nooo. The machine pedant carefully explains 33...Ke8 34.Qg5 fxe6 35.Rb7, eval +28531.347 or something like that. "I was not concered with 33...Ke8, you piece of sillicon!" Ok, I spoke my peace. Here is the missing branch: <32.Rc7+ Kd8 33.Nxe6+! fxe6> 34.Rd8+! Kc8 35.Rd1!, and Black is reduced to desperados to postpone the Qb7# end. (That is, unless Jr. gets involved again.) |
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| Jul-31-04 | | Lawrence: <Gypsy>, I agree entirely. What do Fritz, Junior, Crafty & Co. know about motherly love, forgiveness, passion, hate? What does the Crick-Watson double helix mean to a silicon creature that has zillions of transistors that are either conducting or aren't, and that's all it's got? Will Junior shed a tear when Shay Bushinsky dies? Anyway, the cold-hearted little so-and-so says that after 33...fxe6 it's mate in 11. Just like that. Takes him all of 7 seconds. 33......fxe6
34.Rd7+ Kc8
35.Rd1 Rf1+
36.Kxf1 Qa6+
37.Ke1 etc.
As you say, desperados. It has to throw away it's Rook to last a bit longer. |
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| Jul-31-04 | | Dick Brain: I'd prefer Leko's Qxf8+ over the computerized Rc7+. We are always looking for the clearest win, not the fastest win. |
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Jul-31-04
| | Gypsy: Thanks <Lawrence> for humoring my insecurities and confirming the R-d7-d1 maneuver. (Pst, who's Shay Bushinsky?) |
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| Jul-31-04 | | Lawrence: <Gypsy> Shay Bushinsky (together with Amir Ban) is the guy who programmed Junior. Claims that he doesn't know how to play chess. |
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Jul-31-04
| | Gypsy: <Lawrence> Aha. I thought it may be one of the "Dirty Dozen" bunch -- then, I must admit, I would definitely cry. (Btw, my sense is that Junior is a realy classy engine which outperforms perhaps even Fritz. What is your take?) <DB> Yes, 32.Dxf8+ is the real Jim Dandy (as Lawrence put it) also in my book. It is soo coolheaded. It is the type of move that shakes up the oponent also for the games to come. |
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| Jul-31-04 | | Lawrence: <Gypsy>, some people say that Junior appears to play a bit more like a human than other programs, but who knows? There was a game between Capa and Alekhine where AAA offered to exchange Queens and Fritz said "Don't do it" and Junior said "Do it." Capa exchanged. In the same game exactly the same thing happened with a Rook exchange, and Capa took it. Maybe that's why I like Junior. |
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| Jul-31-04 | | Knight13: Good Game. And good combination. |
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| Aug-01-04 | | jsastre48: I agree that both win because the position allows for many paths, I enjoyed the analyses. |
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Aug-01-04
| | Gypsy: Thanks <Lawrence> for the lowdown. It's good to know what to get when one decides to finaly join the modern times. |
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| Feb-05-06 | | Drudge: any other good 3 stack wins games ? |
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| Mar-23-06 | | Therry Dewallef: Did Leko miss 31.Nf5?
31.Nf5!! Qxb7 32.Nd6+ Kb8 33.cxb7 and won for white. (31...exf5? 32.Qxf5+ Kd8 33.c7+ Ke7 34.c8Q+ Qxb7 35.Qf6#) |
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| May-15-06 | | runners: Why black resigns? |
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| May-15-06 | | ghristo: O runners ve4e si tuka! |
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| Jan-06-08 | | whiteshark: <Did Leko miss 31.Nf5?> Yes. And he also missed it on move thirty!
click for larger view |
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| Mar-25-13 | | ADDADZ: runners: Why black resigns?
1Qf8..Nb5( 2....Nd6+)
2.Qc5.....Nd6+
3.K d8 c7+
4 Q c7 white win |
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Nov-10-20
 | | plang: 12..Qg5+ 13 Qxg5..hxg 14 hxg would have been good for White (14..Rxh1 15 g7). 14..Qa5 was a new, sharp idea; 14..Qg5+ had been played in the draw Leko-Short 1999 European Team Ch. at Bathumi. Black erred with 23..Bc6?; Leko offered 23..f5! 24 exf..Nxf6 25 Qe5..Bxb5+ 26 Rxb5..Rd2+ 27 Ke1.. Qxe5 28 Nxe5 with a small edge to White. Bad would have been 25..Nf4+ 26 Kf3..Rxd4 27 Qxc6+..bxc 28 Rb8+..Kd7 29 R1b7#. |
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