| Jul-06-04 | | vonKrolock: if this game is in fact from 1903, it cannot have been played by the great Max Lange: he died on December 8th, 1899 |
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| Jul-06-04 | | Calli: "Lange" ist ein allgemeiner deutscher Familienname. Nicht wahr? It could be another Max Lange. |
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| Jul-06-04 | | vonKrolock: <Calli> mir unbekannt... and furthermore, exact homonims in Chess history - well, there are always a "Jr", or a middle name etc |
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| Jul-06-04 | | Calli: Max Lange is correct. I found a PGN with the games from Hilversum 1903 and a Max Lange did play in this minor masters tournament. Leonhardt (1rst) and Duras (2nd) finished far above the field (most players you never heard of). Unfortunately, the file does not give a middle name or anything to distinguish this minor Max from the famous Max. Appreciate any other info on this. |
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| Jul-06-04 | | Gypsy: Black is P. Lange of Germany. He frequented Main tournaments of the time period before WWI. He finished 8-th in Hilversum, 1903 (6.5/14); 1.Leonhardt (12) 2.Duras (11.5) 3.Leusen (10) 4.Speyer (9.5) 5.Neumann (8) ... Lange's best result may have been his 5-th place in Coburg Main-A, 1904, especially considering the company: 1-2.Neumann & Vidmar (13.5/16) 3.Duras (12.5) 4.Spielmann (12) 5.Lange (11) 6.Nimzowich (10.5) ... |
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| Jul-06-04 | | Calli: <Gypsy> Thanks. It would be good if we knew what "P" stood for. Everywhere I look he is listed as M. Lange, Max Lange or just Lange. Chessbase, amusingly, listed him as "Max2 Lange". I thought the Germans would know him. My Nimzowitsch file includes a couple of offhand games with "Max Lange" in 1902 and 1903. |
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| Jul-06-04 | | Gypsy: Sorry <Calli>, but this is best I found. The materials I have here only list him either as Lange or P. Lange. I think P. was his first-name initial. That may seem a funny thing to say, but the same materials refer to Karel Traxler as P. Traxler at one place; a mistake probably steming from the fact that Traxler was a priest--Pater Karel Traxler. |
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| Jul-06-04 | | vonKrolock: great, <Gypsy> - another proof that a healthy distrust from indirect sources is wise... this P. Lange was a player of considerable strenght regarding his result in Coburg, and in the Tournament's Book he was just "Lange, Berlin" - what suggest that he was well known enough NOT to have a first letter of the name added to distinguish from another Lange... The confusion whith Max Lange in the databases certainly is due dually to the great renommée of the late xix-th Cent. master and to this lack in informations on his surname-double... |
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| Jul-06-04 | | Calli: The Dutch Base site
http://www.maxeuwe.nl/frameset/fram... has a download for all games from Hilversam. He is listed as Max by the Dutch. Normally a very reliable site, but in the case of this player maybe nothing is for sure? |
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| Jul-06-04 | | Gypsy: It seems that this P. Lange was fairly well known at the time. This my source about Hilversum, 1903: "... The tournament stretched from Aug. 3 to Aug. 13. Because there were 16 competitors, it was thus necessary to play 3 games every 2 days. The company was not very diverse: four representatives of Germany (Lange, Leonhardt, Schwan, and Dr. Trimborn), one Englishman (Brown), Neumann from Vienna, Duras from Prague, and eight representatives of the local association. Most experienced were Germans Lange and Loman, and local Speyer and Leussen. Another favorite was Leonhardt from Hamburg ..." |
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| Jul-07-04 | | vonKrolock: thanks again <Gypsy> - this source is very valuable. More details can be researches i believe in contemporary material, for instance : in the list of members of the German Chess Union for 1908 he appears no more (so apparently his actuation was short) - BUT, i dont have lists from, say, 1903-1907... (a little remark not to lose the research <lol>):
Oldrich Duras
Prag
Kgl. Weinberge
Chodeska ulice 31
(Duras postal address in 1908) |
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| Jul-07-04 | | Gypsy: < Oldrich Duras, Prag, Kgl. Weinberge, Chodeska ulice 31 (Duras postal address in 1908) > Wow--good old Austro-Hungarian thoroughness! Amazing reserch <VonKrolock>, now we know where to go when we can swing some time-travel. It is amuzing that part of the address is in German and part in Czech. (Btv, it was probably 'Chodecka ulice'; 'Pedestrian Str'.) That part of Prague now goes as Kralovske Vinohrady, or modern and short Vinohrady--droping the regal reference. Oldrich Duras
Chodecka ulice 31
Kralovske Vinohrady
Praha |
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| Aug-06-04 | | sneaky pete: From an article by Peter Guetler in Kaissiber # 13, January/March 2000: Dr.Max Lange I (1832-1899) and (no relation) Dr.Max Lange II (1883-1923).
The second Max Lange was born in Stettin, Germany (now Szczecin, Poland) in 1883. Mathematician, friend of Em. and Edw. Lasker. Played in some minor tournaments (or lower sections of major tournaments) between Hannover 1902 and Mannheim 1914. Moved to Japan in 1920 (considered Go more interesting than chess). Died during the Kanto earthquake of 1923. Author of <Das Schachspiel und seine strategischen Prinzipien>, Leipzig, 1910. |
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