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Hydra (Computer) vs Fritz (Computer)
IPCCC (2004), Paderborn GER, rd 3, Feb-12
Van Geet (Dunst) Opening: General (A00)  ·  1-0

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May-25-05  Jaymthetactician: Oh sweet! Hydra playing one of my opening's! I think I'll study this one big time! But wouldnt 6.Bd2,Bxd2+ 7.Qxd2 be better?
May-31-05  halcyonteam: <Reisswolf> oh yes, i won't dare to play like this
Jun-11-05  a30seclegend: <Jaymthetactician> maybe but for whatever reason most programs dont trade off bishops without some kind of positional merit. Also the continuation 6.c3,dxc3 gets rid of one of Fritz centalized peices.. atleast i think thats what Hydra was getting at.
Jun-21-05  InspiredByMorphy: Many impressive moves (except for 10. ...g4 . Why not 10. ...Bg4 ?) including 9.Nf3 gambiting a pawn. I dont see many computers make moves like that. However I dont understand why Fritz didnt recognize it was a pawn up and DEFEND!
Jun-25-05
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  Joshka: Is Fritz programmed to play different moves in the same line time to time? Example, My Fritz8 plays 5...Bg4 which should be an improvement on the text. What level of Fritz was Hydra playing?
Nov-19-05  Professeur Y: 36. e5! is nice
Nov-19-05  shaikh123: chess played by computers is a waste of time.i think the game was developed to test human brain and intellegence.
Nov-19-05  Professeur Y: <shaikh123: chess played by computers is a waste of time.i think the game was developed to test human brain and intellegence.> Of course you mean developed by aliens?
Nov-19-05  Koster: <chess played by computers is a waste of time.> And chess played by humans isn't?
Nov-19-05  Koster: <Of course you mean developed by aliens?> They needed something to do after building the pyramids.
Nov-27-05  hidude: <Joshka> These were multi-processor machines, unlike your 1 Hz machine :)
Mar-13-06  s4life: Kramnik, in his last interview, said hydra is not better than Fritz... he obviously has an agenda and his opinions carry a lot of weight, but anyway, how much truth is there in that statement? are there any other games between the two programs?
Apr-20-06  THE pawn: I'd say Hydra doesn't offer enough money to Kramnik to play a match.
Apr-20-06  jhoro: <s4life: Kramnik, in his last interview, said hydra is not better than Fritz...> perhaps the AS medication is having an effect on him. in the qualifying phase of the PAL/CSS Freestyle Chess Tournament http://www.chessbase.com/eventartic... one of Rybka teams finished first in front of Hydra (zor_champ), 2nd and Deep Fritz was in 40th place (4.5/8). In the finals Hydra won over the Rybka's (most were) with a point difference. The qualifying event was Swiss where the finals were round robin. And while this was free style I doubt Hydra had much outside help with the 40-min controls.

In the 8th installment of ChessWars http://loirechecs.chez-alice.fr/che... , which is just chess engines, Fritz was in 18th place with 5.5/11 and Rybka was first with 7.5/11. So 17 different engines placed better than Fritz. My point is currently Fritz is far from being the strongest in the world. But neither is Kramnik, so they should be a good match.

Apr-22-06  Whitehat1963: How long will it be before computers completely rewrite opening theory and chess theory in general? How many grandmasters would play this opening as white?
May-03-06  Elixir of Life: <Whitehat1963: How long will it be before computers completely rewrite opening theory and chess theory in general? How many grandmasters would play this opening as white?>

When computers use pattern recognition ablities to evaluate positions instead of just calculate calculate calculate, then they will rewrite Chess theory.

May-04-06  s4life: <Elixir:When computers use pattern recognition ablities to evaluate positions instead of just calculate calculate calculate, then they will rewrite Chess theory.>

You mean to say when some smart guy proves NP = P... hopefully in this century... and while I'm still alive :)

BTW, awesome game for hydra..

May-04-06  blackburne: COMPUTERS AND CHESS

History of computers in the chess in:

http://www.ajedrezdeataque.com/04%2...

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Jul-02-06  spirit: <Elixir:When computers use pattern recognition ablities to evaluate positions instead of just calculate calculate calculate, then they will rewrite Chess theory.> me thinks this is a very profound and insightful statement...again something keeps telling me that in less than 10 years programs will write programs.I dont wish to elaborate,but just think of Herr FRITZ writing a patch (sub code) to fix a pariticular bug in the implementation of its MINIMAX algorithm that HYDRA keeps exploiting...i will call this SELF HEALING.And then, what if HERR FRITZ decides to rewrite himself based on knowledge gleened from existing open books and end game tablebases.Already there exist programs that learn based on input,and can adjust certain parameters to suit expected input.At this point what stops a program from altering itself?This sounds like science fiction, but me sure at this exact time me not far from fact.look at it this way,humans used to fabricate motor parts manually,and then the whole process got so complex and tedious someone deviced a way out.Someone fabricated another motor (ROBOT) to fabricate motor parts... today these ROBOTS do everything.Ok the difference is ROBOTS are special purpose hardware designed to fabricate another hardware, so we are talking in terms of writing a program that writes fantastic search algorithms and then by extension fantastic engines...now, what stops this program from being itself an engine...me thinks shortly chess theory will be rewritten,until then let whyte be whyte and blac blac!
Jul-04-06  spirit: frightens me...but why the sac on c5???
Oct-23-06  Tamerlan: White played a perfect game here!
Oct-23-06
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  Honza Cervenka: <Steinitz would have called Hydra his best student.> Even before I have read this <GoodChessClub>'s comment, I had the same feeling myself.
Mar-31-09  haraldols: håhåhåhåhå
Mar-31-09  haraldols: i like fritz best
Jul-21-16  j4jishnu: The evolution of Chess Engines will probably reach such a height (by 2020), that no mortal can beat 'em. Take Stockfish and Komodo for example.
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