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| Jul-02-03 | | dinesh: Ladies n Gentlemen, the first recorded game in French Defence! |
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| Jul-02-03 | | drunknight II: a nice game but did white miss a desperado combination with: 16 dxc5? |
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| Jul-02-03 | | kevin86: No,because black would still win the exchange.16 dxc5,Bxd3;17 cxb6,Bxf1. |
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| Jul-02-03 | | Ligen: What about 11 Nxc6? That would have forced the queen out, leaveing Whites next move to Bxc5. Or am I mising something? Comments? |
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| Jul-02-03 | | AgentRgent: <Ligen> Yes, you're missing that after Bxc5 then Rxe2+ Follows |
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| Jul-02-03 | | drunknight II: No kevin. yes black wins the exchange. but look how white played it, he loses both the exchange and he breaks up 2 pawns. now look at how I am playing it. I lose the exchange but I have broken his d/c pawns (my pawn was already isolated). R = B + 2P; basic math. Basic but does it really make sense? of course it does,how do we know? well because I didnt just stop my analysis with those two moves, I could see an even more logical follow up move 18 b7
now what? |
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| Jul-02-03 | | AgentRgent: <DK> your line 16. dxc5 Bxd3 17. cxb6 Bxf1 18. b7 isn't very convincing (IMO) due to 18... Rab8 19. Kxf1 Rxb7. Blacks passed d pawn is going to be very dangerous, and I don't see a lot of good lines for white. |
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| Jul-02-03 | | drunknight II: 20 Bd4 still not convinced?
it is true there is a positional issue, you have a passed pawn. congratulations. what about me do I have any compensation? |
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| Jul-03-03 | | AgentRgent: <20 Bd4 still not convinced?> No, I'm not. Even by "Drunken count" you're down material.. (Bishop+2 pawns=5 vs Rook+Passed pawn=5.5) 20...Re4! If 21. Bxf6 gxf6 Blacks passed pawn will win.
If 21. Bc3 d4 22. Nd2 dxc3! 23. Nxe4 Nxe4 and Black wins If 21. Bc3 d4 23. f3 dxc3! 24. fxe4 cxb2 and Black wins |
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| Jul-03-03 | | drunknight II: 21 BxN pxB 22 Nc3
SHOW ME HOW THE PAWN QUEENS |
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| May-16-04 | | d4Nf6Bg5: how about 22....Rh4 and two white pawns are threatened (h2 and b2) Or, 22...Re5 attempts to hold the pawn, and then the other rook can support the pawn with Rd7 to prepare d4, kicking the knight if it is still there, and probably thrusting foward another. It may be unwise to push so quickly though, as the pawn could become lost. I think that with the advantage that black holds however, one the of his pawns are going to make it to the other side. |
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Nov-18-04
 | | Benzol: London played Black but moved first for some reason. |
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| Nov-18-04 | | TheGreatNN: That contradicts the definition of Black.
It was a correspondence game so there weren't physical pieces, and there was no algebraic notation in 1836 so they couldn't have turned the board around, so what are you talking about? |
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Nov-18-04
| | Benzol: <...so what are you talking about?> Simple, the truth! |
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| Nov-18-04 | | Kean: Thats true, in those days sometimes black started the game. The convention of white moving first came some time later but dont know when.
I guess even in the International London Tournament 1851 there were games played with black opening. |
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| Nov-18-04 | | KampongBoy: I believe the rule that stated that White always moved first was not established until the mid 1920's, 25 or 26. |
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| Nov-18-04 | | mack: Oh my god, my whole world's been turned upside down! |
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| Nov-18-04 | | panigma: Why are you saying London played black? They're white on my screen! |
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| Nov-18-04 | | kevin86: There is a joke going around that the "French defense" involves carrying an unicolor (white) flag,instead of the Tricolor-the regular flag. To counter this,I believe that the MARSELLAISE is the best national anthem,by far. |
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| Nov-18-04 | | akiba82: Sometimes Black moved first, but this didn't continue until the 1920's. I believe in the London 1851 tournament, the first international tournament, they hadn't yet decided to let White always move first. Certainly they had by London 1862. Does anyone have any solid research they want to share on this? |
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| Nov-18-04 | | ajile: What's wrong with 12.NxC6? |
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| Nov-19-04 | | TheGreatNN: Forgive my ignorance, but how could it possibly be arranged for one side to play black in a correspondence game and not move first? Does London send Paris a letter that says "1.P-K4 and I'm black?" How does that work? |
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| Nov-19-04 | | drukenknight: NN: you have jumped to conclusions, he's not talking about the correspondence game here. He's not even talking about corr. games. He's talking about an old custom. In the old days black was thought to be a lucky color so everyoen wanted black. To compensate, if you took white you got to move first. That's my understanding I think from C.H.O.DAlexander.. |
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| Jul-06-05 | | Happypuppet: Paris plays the French defense. That figures. |
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| Jul-06-05 | | paul dorion: see http://www.chessville.com/instructi... |
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