| Jan-17-06 | | Kangaroo: Two comments.
(1) Missed chance
<52 ... Bh2+> might have lead to the pawn ending with an extra pawn for Aronian. Would this be a victory or I have overlooked something? (2) The final position is nice.
<<74. Kf4> could have been met with <74 ... Bd6+ 75. Kg4 Qh5#>> |
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| Jan-17-06 | | Manu2: <Kangaroo:> It looks drawish since white will not exchange but will play Kf2. Remember black was after thrashing. The ending is a master piece. Infact I only saw it now that white has looses his Queen but did not clearly see it when the game was being played live. Good play |
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| Jan-17-06 | | azaris: It was a good fight, but 13.Nf5? is a bizarre blunder from a GM. The point is that he must have overlooked either the knight hanging on d2 after 15.Qf3, or then he noticed too late that after 15. g4 e4! 16. Nxe4 Rxe4 17. dxe4 Qf4 White just gets creamed. |
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| Jan-17-06 | | russep: how would the game finish?? |
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| Jan-17-06 | | djmercury: Remembering the inaccuracies committed by Anand and Topalov in their first game in St. Luis also in a queens endgame, I have to say I was really impressed by Aronian use of the queen in this endgame. In fact Kamsky never had a single chance to do a perpetual, although black king is far from protected in the last 20 moves. |
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| Jan-17-06 | | notyetagm: What an incredible tactician Aronian is! That <decoy> to create a <skewer> along the b8-h2 diagonal in the line 73 ♔f4 ♗d6+!! 74 ♕xd6 ♕h2+ and 75 ... ♕x♕ is just astonishing. |
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| Jan-17-06 | | Veryrusty: 73. Ke6 gets mated, Qh3+, 74. Ke5, Qf5#
73. Ke4 gets skewered, Qh2+.
73. Kf4 chooses one or the other: Bd6+!, then 74. Qxd6, Qh2+ skewers, or 74. Kg4, Qh5 mate! |
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| Jan-17-06 | | notyetagm: <Vertrusty> Thanks for the lines. Man, this is just plain nasty. Every line is either mate or a skewer that drops the queen. |
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| Jan-17-06 | | thomaspaine: <Remembering the inaccuracies committed by Anand and Topalov in their first game in St. Luis also in a queens endgame, I have to say I was really impressed by Aronian use of the queen in this endgame.> Not a valid comparison. In the San Luis game, both Anand and Topalov were very short on time. Here Kamsky-Aronian had plenty of time (so Kamsky's blunder of Kf4?? is surprising). |
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| Jan-17-06 | | mrbasso: <dj>Kamsky had his chance, 54.Bd6! is a dead draw. |
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| Jan-17-06 | | Jim Bartle: If it's true 54. Bd6 was a draw, and Kamsky made a couple of errors after four or five hours of play, it suggests that the toughest part of getting back to the elite level after a long layoff is to regain the brutal level of concentration necessary to play these long games. |
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| Jan-17-06 | | djmercury: Kamski had plenty of time? He was short on it before move 40, then as far as I know there is no increment at move 60 and Aronian was playing pretty fast (I presume to put pressure on the opponent). Still I didn't checked the offical site, so I can be wrong. Anyway yeah Bd6 is a draw, thx <mrbasso>, I didn't see this move. Anyway I still find admirable how Aronian fought for the win in this game, while other players when they are up of a single pawn in not easy situation don't even try to play for the win. |
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| Jan-17-06 | | notyetagm: <mrbasso: <dj>Kamsky had his chance, 54.Bd6! is a dead draw> Funny how Kamsky missed his chance to play Bd6! but Aronian didn't miss his (73 ... ♗d6+!!). |
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| Jan-17-06 | | thomaspaine: <Kamski had plenty of time?> I was watching the game live, and remember (maybe I'm mistaken) that Kamsky had at least 15 mins on his clock when he resigned. |
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| Jan-18-06 | | Ybrevo: The move 69. Qc6 was the final blunder by Kamsky. But already the strategy of pushing his K-side pawns seems wrong. You don´t want to expose your King in a Q-endgame! Aronian showed great patience and skill. <thomaspaine> I watched the game live, and yes, Kamsky wasn´t in time-trouble. But I think he never saw 72. - Qh8+, because it took him some minutes to resign. |
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| Jan-18-06 | | markantony: even after some minutes and with explanation of veryrusty I fail to understand the end. Queen endgames are so complicated. |
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| Jan-18-06 | | PhilFeeley: Okay, I'm missing something. Sure 73. Kf4 sets up a nice skewer, but what about Ke4? Does black have a sure checkmate or something else surprising then? 73...Qh4+ 74. Kd3, and black can chase the king around the bishop and get nowhere, but I don't see a checkmate. Even a pawn up, it's still a difficult win. Why resign? |
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| Jan-18-06 | | pawn to QB4: 73.Ke4 Qh1+. I'd been willing Aronian to play 72...Qg3+. Does that work too or would I have thrown away the win? |
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| Jan-18-06 | | djmercury: <thomaspaine> and <Ybrevo> thx, I thought Kamski was in more time trouble, since Aronian was moving pretty fast and I thought the only reason was to put pressure on the opponent. White in the final position will loose the queen or get mated wherever he moves the king. |
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| Jan-18-06 | | JoeyCJK: 13. Nf5 ? I know many amatuer internet players who would know better than that. Then he made up for it with strong resilience only to lose his hours of investment to a bad blunder.
He is only torturing himself if he carries on like this. |
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