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| Jan-29-06 | | CowardlyKnight: Topalov will soon be back to his comfortable place. |
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| Jan-29-06 | | RandomVisitor: I have not seen a complete analysis of this game, so here goes. Note that when Rybka makes a comment, such as after move 13, it is suggesting a better move. Note also that the critical move 14 is not examined in enough detail to say for certain whether accepting the Knight sacrifice (hxg4) is playable for White: 1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. Bb5 a6
4. Ba4 Nf6
5. O-O b5
6. Bb3 Bc5
7. a4 Rb8
8. c3 O-O
9. d4 Bb6 last book move
10. axb5 0.43/21 axb5 0.43/19
11. dxe5 0.43/19 Ng4 0.51/18
12. Na3 0.45/18 Ncxe5 0.51/19
13. h3 0.58/18 d6 $16 0.95/17
(Rybka 1.01 Beta 13b: 13... Nxf3+ 14. Qxf3 Nf6 15. Nxb5 Re8 16. Bc2 Bb7 17. Re1 d5 18. e5 Ne4 19. Be3 Rxe5 20. Bxb6 $14 0.58/18) 14. Qe2 $11 -0.03/18
(Rybka 1.01 Beta 13b: 14. hxg4 Bxg4 15. Nc2 Bxf3 16. gxf3 Qf6 17. Kh2 Rfe8 18. Ne1 Bc5 19. f4 Qh6+ 20. Kg1 Qg6+ $16 0.95/17) 14... Nxf3+ -0.06/21
15. Qxf3 -0.06/20 Ne5 -0.04/20
16. Qg3 -0.02/18 Be6 $11 0.16/21
(Rybka 1.01 Beta 13b: 16... Bb7 17. Re1 Ra8 18. Be3 Bxe3 19. Qxe3 Qd7 20. f3 Rfe8 21. Qe2 Ra5 22. Nc2 Rea8 23. Rxa5 $11 -0.02/18) 17. Bxe6 0.13/19 fxe6 0.18/20
18. Nxb5 0.11/18 Rxf2 $14 0.33/20
(Rybka 1.01 Beta 13b: 18... Qd7 19. Nd4 c5 20. Ne2 c4 21. Nf4 Rf6 22. Be3 Qc6 23. Rfd1 Rbf8 24. Rd2 Bxe3 25. fxe3 $11 0.11/18) 19. Rxf2 0.33/20 Bxf2+ 0.31/22
20. Qxf2 0.33/21 Rxb5 0.23/19
21. Qe2 $11 0.01/22
(Rybka 1.01 Beta 13b: 21. b4 c5 22. Qe2 Qb8 23. Bd2 Rb7 24. Qa6 Rb5 25. Qa2 Qc8 26. c4 Rb8 $11 0.23/19) 21... Rb8 0.02/20
22. Bf4 0.01/20 Qf6 $11 0.16/20
(Rybka 1.01 Beta 13b: 22... Ng6 23. Be3 Qf6 24. Rf1 Qe5 25. Bd4 Qg5 26. Ba7 Ra8 27. Be3 Qg3 28. b4 h6 29. Qf2 $11 0.01/20) 23. Rf1 0.17/20
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| Jan-29-06 | | you vs yourself: <<The thought of a 23-move draw in a must win game would never enter Topalov's mind.> Yes, but what about a 20-move draw? Topalov vs Kramnik, 2004> LOL! <notyetagm> completely ignored the evidence <iron maiden> provided. |
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Jan-29-06
 | | Ron: Ok, I'm still wondering about Anand's 13th move d6. Some computer lines have been given saying that is it not that good. But I wonder if this is one of the instances where computer analysis may be inaccurate. |
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| Jan-30-06 | | arjunkakar: <ron> The night sac will prove to be inaccurate on scrutiny. So i am not surprised at computer analysis treating it poorly. The question is Anand was way ahead on time and it was his home prep. Topolov position in the tournament and anand's stature means he decided to play safe. My bet is that if anand had say played this gamble to kasparov , kasparov would have had a think about it but definately taken the sac and probabaly made anad pay for it. Even topolov would have taken it had he been playing a lesser player than Anand or say had been half a point short of anand rather than ahead. This is my opinion anyways |
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| Jan-30-06 | | witty: <Confuse: ... if anand pushes, he can tie for first i think : )>
The time for Anand to push was this game, when he was playing the tournament leader and could directly control his own destiny. If Topalov wins tomorrow then it's over for Anand. This is why Anand is not the world champion
my dear friends, u have to remember that anand was playing topa and had he gone too much ahead pressing for a win he could have lost also, which means no chance of winning the t'ment and no chance to go to 2800, so he decided to play it safe. and his this approach is more justified considering he won last round and achieved both things, t'ment winner and rating of 2800. please try to analyse the position before passing any -ve remarks for the player ,=more so in the case of Anand as he is highly respected figure and pure gentleman |
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| Jan-30-06 | | RandomVisitor: Best for Black (after 14. hxg4) seems 14...Bxg4 15. Nc2 Bxf3 16. gxf3 Qf6. After 8.5 hours of computer time in this position, Rybka thinks 17. Kh2 is best and scores the position as 0.39. I am letting the computer run for several more hours on this one. |
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| Jan-30-06 | | Loisp: i know it is theory moves but how about 8...Nxe4 9.Qe2 d5! |
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| Jan-30-06 | | RandomVisitor: <Loisp> after 8...Nxe4 9.Qe2 d5 10. d3 is played, and then neither 10...Nf6 11.d4, Nxf2 or Bxf2 is any good for Black. |
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| Feb-04-06 | | RandomVisitor: After 14. hxg4?! Bxg4 15. Nc2 Bxf3 16. gxf3 Qf6 17. Ne1 Qg6+ 18. Kh2 Qh5+ 19. Kg3 Qg6+ 20. Kh4 (otherwise, Black keeps giving perpetual check) Rbe8 and Black has compensation for the Knight. |
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| Feb-06-06 | | Hiarcs: good game |
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| Feb-06-06 | | morpstau: Good game |
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| Mar-01-06 | | jaigans: I Guess FROM 11.♘g4 black is rolled up but when 18.♖xf2 Anand is active.Plus fritz said black is great from ♖xf2.I don't know why draw from a 23.♖f1. |
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| Mar-01-06 | | jaigans: Great game. |
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| Mar-15-06 | | progrock64: I think the knight sac is entirely sound. @randomvisitor: I checked some variations after that Kh4 position and I think white gets crushed. Another interesting variation is: 17.Kh2-Rbe8 18.Ne1-Qh4+ 19.Kg2-Re6 20.Bxe6-fxe6 21.Qe2-Nxf3 22.Qxf3-Rxf3 23.Kxf3-h5 unclear.
Great preparation by Anand imho. |
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| Mar-15-06 | | Topzilla: Anand is a great player, but has never showed any interest on being the best. He even rejected a match offer at 2000, saying he didnt believe in the money, but come on, he didnt cared about being World Champion. And now he is content being second, thats lack of ambition, and thats why i like better Topalov( between other reasons). Anand the forever second best, never the first. |
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| Mar-15-06 | | progrock64: I`m more interested in chess than in hobby-psychotherapie. To say that Anand has a lack of ambition is strange when you take a look at his results over the last 15 years. |
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| Mar-15-06 | | Topzilla: He is just content with being second, seems not interested in being first. |
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| Mar-15-06 | | Ulhumbrus: <Topzilla> Anand offered a piece sacrifice in this game. Is that ambitious enough for you? Topalov defended successfully, but how does that make Anand not interested in being first ? |
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| Mar-15-06 | | iron maiden: Last I checked, didn't Anand tie Topalov for first at this tournament? It's beyond me how anybody can play through this game and say that Anand lacks ambition while Topalov doesn't. |
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| Sep-01-06 | | Stevens: <RandomVisitor: After 14. hxg4?! Bxg4 15. Nc2 Bxf3 16. gxf3 Qf6 17. Ne1 Qg6+ 18. Kh2 Qh5+ 19. Kg3 Qg6+ 20. Kh4 (otherwise, Black keeps giving perpetual check) Rbe8 and Black has compensation for the Knight.> thanks for the analysis on this game. i couldn't see how black could force a perpetual or get compensation after 15.Nc2, and it was starting to get to me! In NIC it just says "after 14.hxg4 Black will soon destory white's kingside pawn structure,..... to force a perpetual" |
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| May-06-07 | | Chessmensch: This game is discussed in much detail in Chess Life, May 2007, pages 31-33. Modern Archangel. |
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| May-06-07 | | odong: very nice game by anand. topalov should have tried to take the sacrificed knight. if he did that it would have been more exciting. |
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| Nov-15-07 | | Udit Narayan: LOL reading some of these old comments is quite amusing. Anand is content being second best? Hey Topzilla, Anand is now world champion. Let's see what you have to say to that! |
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| Nov-15-07 | | Jim Bartle: Checking old posts from most of the heavily-commented players always reveals hilarious goofs. Quite a few are mine... |
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