| May-09-07 | | Nezhmetdinov: this must be wrong - 8 Nc7+ wins black's queen |
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| May-09-07 | | nescio: <Nezhmetdinov> Right you are. Dely played 7...Qd6, according to http://www.chesslive.de/ [Event "Asztalos mem 6th"]
[Site "Miskolc"]
[Date "1963.07.06"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Bronstein,David I"]
[Black "Dely,Peter"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Eco "A27"]
1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.Nf3 f5 4.d4 e4 5.Bg5 Be7 6.Bxe7 Qxe7 7.Nd5 Qd6 8.Nd2 Nge7
9.Nxe7 Nxe7 10.e3 0-0 11.g4 c5 12.Nb3 cxd4 13.c5 Qg6 14.Qxd4 Qxg4 15.Be2 Qg6 16.0-0-0 b6
17.f4 exf3 18.Bxf3 bxc5 19.Nxc5 Nc6 20.Qf4 Qe8 21.Kb1 Qe7 22.Qd6 Qxd6 23.Rxd6 Rb8 24.Nxd7 Bxd7
25.Rxd7 Ne5 26.Bd5+ Kh8 27.Rxa7 Rfd8 28.Rb7 Rxb7 29.Bxb7 Nc4 30.Rc1 Nxe3 31.a4 g5 32.a5
1-0
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| May-19-09 | | Brown: An awkward looking position for both players after 13.c5 I have seen this maneuver of Nb3/b6 and a pawn push to c5/c4 from Bronstein. It's strangely effective. In "Sorcerer's Apprentice," black's 7th is indeed Qd6, explaining the play in the game. |
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| May-23-09 | | Brown: BTW, with best play, white may well win, but doesn't black have some chances to sac a piece for the a-pawn and promoting on the K-side? |
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May-23-09
 | | beatgiant: <Brown>
Could you post a concrete line showing how you think Black can do that? |
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| May-24-09 | | Brown: <beatgiant>
Here's an example of how one line could run with reasonable play.32..Rd4 33.Bc6 <preventing 33..Ra4> 33..Nc4 34.a6 <34.b5 Nd6> 34..Nb6 and now white has to take some time to dislodge the black knight. It seems he wins with 35.Rc5 and 36.Rb5, but if he rushes with 35.a7 g4 36.a8=Q+ Nxa8 37.Bxa8 f4, black still has some chances to hold the game, don't you think? |
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May-24-09
| | beatgiant: <Brown>
I doubt the Black rook can hold the a-pawn from behind, since White can kick it with moves like b3.For example, what if 32...Rd4 33. a6 Ra4 34. b3 Ra5 35. b4? |
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| May-24-09 | | Brown: <beatgiant> I think white probably has other ways to win, and perhaps 33.Bc6 isn't necessary, but after if <32...Rd4 33. a6 Ra4 34. b3 Ra5 35. b4> black can play 35..Ra4, forcing white to play accurately to win. Letting the rook back there is pretty annoying for white. |
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May-24-09
| | beatgiant: <Brown>
If that requires too much accuracy, then 32...Rd4 33. a6 Ra4 34. Rc5, now threatening b3 while preventing ...Ra5. What do you see for Black after that? |
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| May-24-09 | | Brown: <beatgiant> Yes, that looks like the most clean-cut way. After <32...Rd4 33. a6 Ra4 34. Rc5> black will have to give up the rook for the a-pawn and hope white drops dead from the slow advance of black's K-side pawns. Thank you for working out some winning methods for white. It has been instructive! |
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| Aug-29-11 | | hedgeh0g: What does 13.c5 accomplish? Can't Black simply play 13...d3 or ...dxe3 with a great game? |
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Aug-29-11
 | | Phony Benoni: <hedgeh0g> Our score is wrong; Black's queen was actually on d6. See <nescio>'s kibitz above, explaining why White missed Nxc7+ on moves 8 and 9. |
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| Aug-29-11 | | ounos: Damn that typo! I was trying to make sense of 13. c5?? Qg6?? (instead of 13. ...d3). Funny that I missed Nxc7+ earlier, I guess I moved too quickly in that part |
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| Aug-29-11 | | hedgeh0g: <Phony Benoni> Funnily enough, I saw that post when I was wondering why Nxc7+ wasn't played and then forgot that it had implications for the rest of the gamescore! |
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Kibitzing
