| Feb-16-07 | | percyblakeney: Quick loss for Sutovsky, more than 4 pawns down according to Rybka already after 18 moves, and that with white against a 121 points lower rated opponent. Sutovsky won Aeroflot Open 2005 ahead of among others Ivanchuk and Radjabov but is doing worse now, this was his second loss in a row, after Yifan Hou vs Sutovsky, 2007 |
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| Feb-16-07 | | adair10: Sutovsky's opponent is 2006 World under 20 champion who got to A1 tournament probably because of the title. Seems his inclusion in A1 is justified. |
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| Feb-16-07 | | Plato: Sutovsky's games remind me of the young Tal... only it's more costly to play that way nowadays, and his intuitive play is often punished. He's an artist, and his games are a pleasure to watch, but I wish he would be more consistent. The immense talent is there. He could establish himself among the 2700+ club if he would reel in his optimism a bit. With a higher rating more people would notice and appreciate this exciting player. |
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Feb-16-07
 | | JointheArmy: Sutovsky is hardly a young Tal. More like Emory Tate, but better. If your looking for a Tal nowadays Liviu Dieter Nisipeanu is your guy. More optimistic than Sutovsky too. |
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Feb-16-07
| | JointheArmy: <Nisipeanu is a more conservative player than Sutovsky overall> Obviously you haven't studied Nisipeanu hard enough. Nisipeanu takes more risks in his games than Sutovsky and is better suited with a comparison to Tal. Comparing Tal to Sutovsky is an insult. |
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| Feb-16-07 | | Plato: <JointheArmy> You're not too familiar with Sutovsky's games, I see... To say that Sutovsky is more like Tate than Tal is just laughable, considering that he has been approximately 2700 in the past, won Aeroflot, was European champion, defeated Kramnik, etc. Tate is a nobody. Sutovsky is not just better than Tate, he's many classes higher, so the comparison is absurd. Nisipeanu is a more conservative player than Sutovsky overall, which is why his results don't fluxuate as much. |
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| Feb-16-07 | | Plato: <JointheArmy> Sorry for deleting and reposting my previous comment, but I wanted to include European champion among his list of accomplishments. If you don't mind my asking, what is your rating? I have played over dozens of games of both Sutovsky and Nisipeanu. Nisipeanu is a player I follow a lot because my father is Romanian and we were excited when he beat Shirov and Ivanchuk and made it to the semis of the 1999 FIDE World Championship. Forgive me, but you are talking out of your rear end when you say it is an insult to compare Sutovsky to Tal. There have been Grandmasters who made that very comparison. What is an insult is to compare him to Emory Tate. Tell me: how many of Sutovsky's games have you analyzed? Honestly, since I know you are an honest person. How well acquainted are you with his games? And if you are not well acquainted with them, how dare you say it's "an insult" to compare him to Tal? |
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| Feb-16-07 | | Plato: <Nisipeanu takes more risks in his games than Sutovsky> This is a complete falsehood. If you don't believe me, ask any GM who will take the time to answer you. |
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| Feb-16-07 | | Plato: <JTA> Our ratings are similar, then. My highest rating was 2306 but now I am 2274. In any event, I was comparing Sutovsky's *style* to the young Tal, not his strength. But please ... his strength is much closer to the young Tal than to Tate. And honestly, in my opinion Sutovsky at his best is definitely comparable to young Tal in strength. Tal is the greater player in chess history, of course, but the level of chess play has increased since his the time of young Tal. There are more Grandmasters today who can play on that level then there were in, say, 1960, and there are some who can play on an even higher level still. In any event, you seem to be saying that Nisipeanu's strength is close to Tal's but Sutovsky's is not. In fact, Nisipeanu has the higher rating now, but not so long ago Sutovsky's rating waws higher, and their record against each other is one win apiece, so it's not at all obvious that Nisipeanu is in an entirely different category, strengthwise, than Sutovsky (as you seem to be indicating). Nisipeanu's advantage over Sutovsky these days is he's more consistent with his combinations, and he doesn't let his imagination get the best of him as often as Sutovsky. |
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Feb-16-07
| | JointheArmy: <Plato> See my chess forum. I didn't want to spam this game page. |
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| Feb-16-07 | | Plato: But it's definitely not an insult to Tal. Your comments gave me the impression that you didn't realize just how well Sutovsky is capable of playing. I don't want to argue whether Sutosvsky's talent is as good as Tal's, but his style is certainly similar. And as former European champion and Aeroflot champion who not long ago had a 2697 rating and defeated the likes of Kramnik, I don't see why you would think it's an insult to make the comparison. If Tal were alive today, I dare say he would be a fan of Sutovsky. As I said earlier, more than one Grandmaster has made the comparison between them. Here, for example, is Grandmaster Sergey Ivanov from e3e5.com (in translation). Needless to say, he is more qualified than either of us to make such a judgment: <Emil Sutovsky is a unique phenomenon in the chess of the XXI century, he is like Morphy, Alekhine and Tal – "all-in-one".> <Emil tore to pieces a new section "the best games of the month" with his recent brilliant victories and I would say he "raised a dust" among grandmasters and masters... So, it`s possible to imagine how Ivan was provoking Emil in his mind: "Come on, attack, sacrifice, invent combinations, I`m not afraid, I`ve been through worse..."> |
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| Feb-17-07 | | Atking: Emil Sutovsky is not only a great player he is also a man with a sense of humour. May be he is not playing at his best because he is father of a of one year old charming girl whose name is Harmony. Each time for a beautiful mind. Still I will not compare Sutovsky with Tal even if they are both artists. |
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