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 | | al wazir: <keypusher>: Well, uh, yes, I guess that's right. After 17...Bxc5 18. Rfd1 Rc8 19. Ne4 Qe7 20. Rxd7 Kxd7 21. Nf6+ Kc7 22. Qc6+ Kb8 23. Nd7+ Qxd7 24. Qxd7 Rxg7, white has ♕+♙ vs. ♖+♗, and a superior (probably winning) position. Still, it's no worse than what happened in the game. |
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| Mar-29-07 | | Atking: <unixfanatic: With 14. ... Rxg7 Carlsen would have been in a considerably better position. Of course, this would be declining Kramnik's tantalizing offer. Rybka offers the line 14. ...Rxg7!? 15.Nh4 Bxg2 16.Nxg2 cxd4 > I doubt that Kramnik will give up his center like that. Did you try 15.Ne5 (Instead of the excentric Nh4?!)? Just a try on a chess board (You must test it with your program) 15. ...BxBg2 16.KxBg2 cxd 17.Qa4 dxNc3 18.b6+ Nd7 19.Rfd1 and now a) 19. ...cxb2?? 20.RxNd7 as 20. ...bxRa1=Q no check ! 21.Rxf7 with mate. b) 19. ...Qxb6 20.NxNd7 Qb7+ 21.Kg1 0-0-0 22.bxc3 with all files open on the black King c) 19. ...f6 (seeing the result of this last line you might try (As I did) 19. ...f5 but 20.RxNd7 RxRd7 21.Rd1 axb 22.Qc6 Ra7 23.Qxe6+ is terrible) 20.NxNd7 RxNd7 21.bxc Bxc3 22.RxRd7 QxRd7 23.QxQd7+ KxQd7 24.Rxa7+ the point 24. ...Kc6 25.RxRa8 Kxb6 26.f3 f5 27.fxg fxg and Kf1 to stop the pawn and Rg8 to take the other one. All these lines are pretty good for White. I'm quite confident that Kramnik did his opening preparation as a top pro... Hoping this analysis are correct it will be my day present for that wonderful chess site. Thanks again to chessgames.com. for this coverage. |
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| Mar-29-07 | | mang00neg: <It was quite suprising that Kramnik used this valuable novelty in an unrated rapid game.> waste of home prep imho. |
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| Jun-27-07 | | Ulhumbrus: With 13...g4 Carlsen loses what may be his last chance to remove the g7 pawn, providing that it is the case that Carlsen is in fact able to play 13...Rxg7 at move 13.
Instead of 13...g4, 13...Rxg7 removes the g7 pawn.
After 13..g4, believe or not, Carlsen will be given no time to play ...Rxg7 before Kramnik plays Qh5 and threatens Qh8 in a way which wins the game! from move 14, upto and including move 20, Kramnik's moves create seven threats in succession, giving Carlsen no time to take the g7 pawn. Thereafter Kramnik plays another four moves, beginning with 21 Qh5, which create again in succession their respective threats, and finally the threat created by the fourth move has no satisfactory answer. This suggests that alternatives for Black have to be sought at move 13 or earlier. |
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| Mar-22-08 | | Hesam7: <mang00neg: <It was quite suprising that Kramnik used this valuable novelty in an unrated rapid game.> waste of home prep imho.> Well on the other hand due to popularity of Moscow Botvinnik is not played at the highest level these days. I think <Atking>'s analysis of 14...Rxg7 is correct here. After the long forced line: 15.Ne5 Bxg2 16.Kxg2 cxd4 17.Qa4 dxc3 18.b6 Nd7 19.Rfd1: 
click for larger viewShredder Classic gives the following:
19...f6 20.Nxd7 Rxd7 21.bxc3 Bxc3 22.Rxd7 Qxd7 23.Qxd7+ Kxd7 24.RXa7+ Kc6 25.Rxa8 Kxb6 26.Rc8 Kb5 27.f3 f5 (Depth 16/39: +0.95) 19...Qxb6 20.Nxd7 Qb7+ 21.Kg1 O-O-O 22.bxc3 Rxd7 23.Rxd7 Qxd7 24.Qxb4 Rg8 25.Qxc4+ Kd8 26. Qb4 (Depth: 16/41: +1.25) 19...f5 20.Rxd7 Rxd7 21.Rd1 axb6 22.Qc6 Ra7 23.Qxe6+ Qe7 24.Qg8+ Qf8 25.Qg6+ Qf7 26.Nxf7 Rxd1 27.Ne5+ (Depth: 16/41: +1.56) |
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| Mar-22-08 | | Hesam7: And here is Kramnik's annotation from the Informator: <1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3. Nc3 d5 4.d4 dxc4 5.e4 Bb4 6.Bg5 b5 7.a4 c6 8.e5 h6 9.exf6 hxg5 10.fxg7 Rg8 11.g3 Bb7 12.Bg2 c5 13.O-O g4 14.ab5!!> a novelty; 14.Nh4 see 96/325 <14...gf3> 14...Bc3 15.bc3 gf3 16.Bf3 Bf3 17.Qf3 Qd5 18.Qd5 ed5 19.dc5 Rg7 20.Rfe1 Kd7 21.Re5  ; 14...Rg7 15.Ne5 Bg2 16.Kg2 cd4 17.Qa4 dc3 (17...Bc3 18.b6 Kf8 19.bc3 Qb6 20.Qc4 ) 18.b6 Nd7 19.Rfd1 f6 (19...f5?! 20.Rd7 Rd7 21.Rd1 ab6 22.Qc6) 20.Nd7 Rd7 21.bc3 Bc3 22.Rd7 Qd7 23.Qd7 Kd7 24.Ra7 Kc6 25.Ra8 Kb6 26.Re8 <15.Bf3 Bf3> 15...Qc7 16.b6 (16.dc5 Bc5 17.b6) Qb6 17.dc5 Bc5 18.Na4 Bf3 19.Qf3 Qc6 20.Qc6 Nc6 21.Nc5 , with the idea 21...Rg7 22.Rfc1 Ne5 23.f4 Nf3 24.Kg2 Nd2 25.Rd1 Nb3 26.Nb3 cb3 27.Rd3 <16.Qf3 Nd7> 16...Bc3 17.bc3 (17.Qa8 Bd4 18.Ra7 Rg7 19.Rd1 ) Qd5 18.Qd5 ed5 19.dc5 Rg7 20.Rfe1 Kd8 21.Re5 <17.dc5 Bc3> 17...Rg7 18.Rfd1 Bc5 19.Rd7  ; better is 17...Nc5 18.Qc6 Nd7 a) 19.Rfd1 Rc8 20.Ra7 Rc6 21.bc6 Nb6 (21...Rg7 22.Rdd7 Qc8 23.Ne4 ) 22.Rd8 Kd8 23.Rf7 Be7 24.Nb5 ; b) 19.Nd5 Rc8 (19...ed5 20.Rfe1 Be7 21.Re7 ) 20.Nf6 Ke7 21.Ng8 Qg8 22.Qb7 Bd6 23.Ra7 Rc7 24.Qa8 <18.bc3> <18...Nc5 19.Rfd1!> 19.b6 Ke7 <19...Qc8> only move <20.Rd6! Qb7> 20...Ke7 21.Rc6 Qb7 22.Qf4 Nd7 23.Qh4; 20...Nb3 21.b6!; 20...Qb8 21.Rb6! Qd8 22.Rc6 Qd3 23.Qh5 <21.Qh5 Rc8 22.Rc6! Nd3> 22...Rc6 23.bc6 Qb2 (23...Qc6 24.Qh8) 24.Qh8 Qa1 25.Kg2 Kd8 (25...Rh8 26.gh8Q Ke7 27.c7; 25...Ke7 26.Qg8 Qd1 27.Qf8 Kf6 28.g8Q) 26.Qg8 Kc7 27.Qf7 <23.Rc8> 23.Re6 Kd8 24.Qh4 <23...Qc8 24.Ra7 1-0> [Kramnik] |
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| Sep-28-08 | | andymac: Good to remember the kid is mortal sometimes. Not that losing to Kramnik is difficult. I expect I could lose to Kramnik in fewer than 24 moves... |
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Sep-28-08
 | | jessicafischerqueen: Heh--
<QG Declined "Vienna Version">. Is that the version of the QG Declined where the Gambit is NOT "declined," but rather "accepted," like in this game? Not to mention that the opening "name" is decided on only after transposition from a very flexible and non-committal move order by <Kramnik>-- "Reti" then "English" then "Queen's gambit" which is NOT declined-- heh.
What's in a name?
<Vienna>, or more properly <Wiene>, is famous for its "wieners", or sausages. But that's not the origin of the city's name, as some have supposed. Well Ok it was me who supposed so, but it turns out I was wrong. It was orginally a <Roman Legionary Camp> called "Vindabona" due to the high quality of wine-grapes that could be grown there. Interestingly, however, the name "Wiene" IS in fact the origin of the word "Wiener" meaning sausage or "hot dog" if you're from St. Louis. So, much like <Kramnik>, Vienna was cagy, open, and flexible in its etymological move order... Just saying.
What a smashing piece of work by <Kramnik> here. |
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| Sep-28-08 | | PinkPanther: <jessicafischerqueen>
Vienna in German is Wien, not Wiene. |
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Sep-28-08
| | jessicafischerqueen: <Pink>
Thanks for the correction!
Would it be pronounced "Veen- uh"?
Or just "Veen", with no vowel sound after?
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| Sep-28-08 | | achieve: <Jessica> - <Wien> No vowel, and hardly any other 'sound', after the 'n'. |
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| Sep-28-08 | | whiteshark: Kramnik, make it snappy! |
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Sep-28-08
 | | Once: Short brutal game.
But I can't help feeling that chess is heading to an uncomfortable place when novelties occur on move 14 and a game is decided almost entirely by opening preparation. I know it is where professional chess is (and has been for some time), but it seems to be a huge distance away from club chess. I like the role played by the pawn on g7. It sat there through more than half the game, turning the Rg8 into a spectator. Just when I thought Kramnik was going to promote the pawn with Qh7, he goes in the opposite direction and targets the black f7 pawn. But then the white g7 stops black from defending with Rf8. |
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| Sep-28-08 | | Alphastar: <Once> Nowadays a novelty on move 14 is unusually early. I expect one around move 20. |
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Sep-28-08
| | Once: <Alphastar> Indeed - and I have a book on the sicilian dragon where chapter one (!) starts with "12th move alternatives for white". |
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| Sep-28-08 | | acirce: I disagree. I believe 14 or even earlier is about average on super-GM level. |
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| Sep-28-08 | | tommy boy: isn't it queen's gambit accepted? |
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| Sep-28-08 | | tivrfoa: what if:
22. Rc6 Rc6 |
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Sep-28-08
| | Once: <tivrfoa> Fritz says 22... Rxc6 23. bxc6 Qxc6 24. Qh8 Rxh8 25. gxh8=Q+ Ke7 26. Rxa7+
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Sep-28-08
 | | Jimfromprovidence: Here’s something black could have tried.
16…Bxc3, seeing 17 bxc3 Qd5?! 18 Qxd5 exd5.
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| Sep-28-08 | | Underworld: Forgive me if I didn't see a post with this. Carlsen does have the potential and is up there with a lot of the big shots like Kramnik, but he didn't pull out the right page in this book. Reverting to the Botvinnik System was a TERRIBLE idea IMO. It is way too risky for him. I, of course, admire those who take risk as I am the same way, which is why I'm not afraid to lose a game. I don't agree with the position he pushed himself to, since he was pretty much always on the defensive, which I HATE playing, although I'm good at it. I wouldn't be surprised if he dropped the Botvinnik System like so many others have as it is such a sharp line. |
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| Sep-29-08 | | kevin86: Black seemed to be the aggressor in this game. Too bad for him that his attack fizzled and white's rose like a Phoenix (or Scottsdale,for that matter). |
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| Apr-19-12 | | LoveThatJoker: Guess-the-Move Final Score:
Kramnik vs Carlsen, 2007.
YOU ARE PLAYING THE ROLE OF KRAMNIK.
Your score: 38 (par = 25)
LTJ |
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| Jun-08-17 | | Ninja702: Brilliant. I hope the world can see a Carlsen-Kramnik match. |
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| Feb-01-19 | | DansChessLounge: For analysis of the game check out the video ---> https://youtu.be/PxUGGFz8lGM |
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