| Aug-13-07 | | kingsindian2006: almost 500 points higher in rating, and what a struggle.. is rating more about consistency than skill ? any feedback on this? |
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| Aug-13-07 | | pastpawn: Ratings are about statistical expectations: i.e. what would happen in a large number of games between two given opponents. But I wouldn't call this game that much of a 'struggle': Black played cautiously and solidly in the opening, possibly trying to draw that way, and seemed to me to get steadily ground down from a somewhat inferior position. |
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| Aug-13-07 | | roni.chessman: <kingsindian2006> I wouldn't call the game a struggle. Black did not choose a very sharp opening. Carlsen played like Kramnik here, grinding out the position from the weaker moves played by his opponent. |
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| Aug-14-07 | | kingsindian2006: <ronichessman>if your using the word grinding out, then you are hinting it wasn't a breeze or walk through.. hence the word struggle.. |
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| Aug-16-07 | | roni.chessman: <kingsindian2006> Well when Kramnik beats his opponents by "grinding" them in the end game its a breeze for him but a struggle for his opponents is it not? He gives them the "illusion" that they stand a chance but inch by inch he's closing the casket in preparation for the endgame. Makes sense? This is Carlsen showing positional play... :D |
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| Aug-18-07 | | KOCMOHAYT: very karpov like carlsen |
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| Aug-26-07 | | IMDONE4: Isn't the resignation at the end by Orny abit premature? I kno the other guy's 500 points higher than you, but don't give them too much respect. |
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| Aug-26-07 | | IMDONE4: I still don't see any clear way for MAgnus to win at the end, and black is still alive and kicking after a timely bishop trade. Carlsen, although no doubt has the much better position, would find it difficult to break through with accurate play from black. Both h6+ and hxg6 are far from clear, and black will possibly have some chances of his own on the queenside or down the d-file if white gets too complacent. |
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| Aug-26-07 | | euripides: <imdone4> perhaps Carlsen would play 52.Qg5, with possibilities of Q/Rf6, rather than committing the pawn. Meanwhile Black doesn't have many constructive moves e.g. 51...gxh5 52.Qg5+ Bg6 53.Rf6 or 51...Be6 52 Bxe6 Rxe6 53.h6+ Kg8 54.h7+ seem to lose outright. But I agree there would be no harm making White prove it. |
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| Aug-26-07 | | euripides: <kingsindian is rating more about consistency than skill ?> I would put it differently. Even given a 450 point rating gap, much of the time the two players will play the same moves or equally good ones; it is only certain 'critical' positions that discriminate between them. Sometimes a game happens to contain relatively few such 'critical' positions. In such cases the stronger player needs to be patient, which Carlsen seems to have managed here. I don't know at what point the game actually became winning for White, and I guess Carlsen probably didn't know either; he knew he was better throughout and patiently tried to increase the advantage, always keeping an eye out for a decisive tactic. But Black's structure is so solid by move 30 White probably has to be patient. |
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| Aug-26-07 | | IMDONE4: <kingsindian is rating more about consistency than skill ?> Kings Indian is about not playing it against someone who has alot of experience against it, like Korchnoi. KID also means knowing 30 move variations, but it is generally much easier to play for black than other openings because of the straightforwardness of the black kingside march. Critical moments come when the pawns get to g4 and h4, where the book knowledge of amateurs generally end. This is when the better player usually takes the upper hand. You will also note that it is quite common that an outmatched opponent will quite commonly use the KID, while the stronger player almost never uses it. |
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| Aug-27-07 | | euripides: <imdone4> my post was addresssed to <kingsindian>, not about the King's Indian :-) |
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| Dec-08-07 | | IMDONE4: <euripides: <imdone4> my post was addresssed to <kingsindian>, not about the King's Indian :-)> Oh, my mistake =) |
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| Mar-10-22 | | tonsillolith: It was very Kramnikesque of Carlsen to play this game in the style of Karpov. Many players would be tempted to play <e4> on move <14> or shortly thereafterward, but it is instructive to see Carlsen use restraint on his pawn pushes, to support <d4> and retain scope for his LSB, until the time is right. |
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