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| Sep-30-07 | | tal lover: <keypusher> Im really serious in my comment and im not saying that to disagree with you, or any other person here. I only feel sad when im watching the game, that until move 22 Kramnik hasnt waste no time in his clock, of course to play 17.Rb1 you need to do a lot of calculation and this is a beautiful move, the point is that Kramnik find this move in home and not over the board (Since he played 17.Rb1 without spend no time). So the point a want to show to everybody is that this game was an unfair fight, since at the end of Kramnik preparation Aronian have no chance to fight in the game, the same thing i can say about Svidler Grischuk, when Svidler played Rc1, Grischuk spend about one hour in his next move, and after that Svidler instantly played Qf6, the open preparation decided two games. Chess is a game that everybody should have equal chances, and who see deeper can win most of the time, what heappen this days is if you have a team working for you to find good noveltys, you can defeat everybody. So these days chess isnt a fair game, if you have money and a team you are in well shape otherwise you will lose like Aronian and Grischuk |
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| Sep-30-07 | | tal lover: <keypusher> i just want to addthat Kramnik preparation ended at move 22 (because he stopped to blitz at this move) and not at move 17. Look the position at move 22 and imagine that Kramnik have 1h50min for the next moves while Aronian 50min, do you think that Aronian had a chance to fight? Do you think its a fair fight? |
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Sep-30-07
 | | Gypsy: <tal lover> Chess-960 is then for those such as us. Home prep ending around move 4, or sooner. |
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| Sep-30-07 | | Atkins: <Tal lover> Of course they all did home prep. About the time use by the players I think Anand was the one who blitz his opponents. Home work is deadly important since Botvinnick. You can argue that the novelty was from a comp but the first who worked with comp at top level is Kasparov to keep his lead. Actually all top players work with chess programs. For this game I think Aronian was simply not in his best form. He get sick at the middle of the match. Sorry for him. |
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| Sep-30-07 | | tal lover: <Gipsy> I agree with you, if this game was a fischerrandom, the players will have 2 hours for 40 moves and not 2 hours for 18 moves (like Kramnik had in this game), and in the fischerrandom both sides start with equal positions. This game for me started at move 22, with Kramnik winning |
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| Sep-30-07 | | tal lover: <Atkins> Im a patzer like everybody here but please look at the position at move 22, and give your evaluation, its not Aronian, if Anand was black and the game start at move 22, Anand would have lost this one, Gelfand would have lost, Kasparov would have lost, Fischer and Morphy too, because the position on move 22 is lost for black, and Kramnik made no calculation to reach this position |
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| Sep-30-07 | | Atkins: <Tal Lover> I think you miss my point. Yes 19.Nc5! was a wonderfull move but Aronian should be prepared to that. Actually theory goes more than move 20 in many lines. You have to deal with that. In fact Aronian was clearly outform during almost all the tournament. I'm sorry for him but that was not the fault of the other opponent. Aronian himself as real sportmanship will never argue like that (Some could). For the home prep, indeed it seems to me that Kramnik opted to play some position which are not clear for comp. (e.g vs Morozevich first game). Interesting way to make progress. |
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| Sep-30-07 | | tal lover: ok <atkins> i understand your point, but what you would suggest for a player like Aronian. "Hey guy, you should stop to try to improve your game, stop to try to understand the endgame, everybody knows that with home prep. you can win more, you dont need to understand what you are doing you need to do" |
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| Oct-01-07 | | Atkins: <tal lover: ok <atkins> i understand your point,> May be Aronian could deal with Kramnik's novelty (Or prepare it) if he was in better shape. He wasn't. Since the first rounds it became more and more obvious for the other participants that Aronian could not play his best. <but what you would suggest for a player like Aronian.> To take a rest. Still very young, he will have other big chance to prove his talent. Should I say that such great competitor doesn't need my advice. He knows better than me what he must do. |
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| Oct-01-07 | | ahmadov: Wow, what a game! |
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| Oct-01-07 | | ahmadov: <chessgames.com: We ran this as a live game just because that's the easiest way to grab the PGN. Plus, Kramnik fans can enjoy the dancing rook for a few minutes.> I wonder after which move this was posted... |
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Oct-01-07
 | | Mateo: Kramnik once again shows his impressive home preparation. Highly instructive. 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 b6 4.g3 Ba6 5.b3 Bb4+ 6.Bd2 Be7 7.Bg2 c6 8.Bc3 d5 9.Ne5 Nfd7 10.Nxd7 Nxd7 11.Nd2 O-O 12.O-O Rc8 13.e4 dxe4 14.Nxe4 b5 15.Re1 bxc4 16.Bf1 Nb6 17.Rb1! <A strong novelty. 17.Nc5 is the usual move.> Nd5 18.Ba1!! <18.Bd2 (to keep the 2 Bishops and impede Bb4) c3! 19.Bxa6 cxd2 20.Rf1 Rb8 21.Qxd2, Black has an easy game. The move actually played prepares a sound exchange sacrifice.> Bb4 19.Nc5 Bxe1 20.Qxe1 cxb3 21.Nxa6 bxa2 22.Rb2 <All home preparation until this move said Kramnik.> Nc7?! <Maybe a bad decision according to Kramnik. What is the point of this trade? The strong Knight on d5 was closing the long diagonal h1-a8, impeding the Bishop to put more pressure on c6.> 23.Rxa2 <Black will have Rook + 2 pawns vs 2 Bishops. But his 2 extra pawns are on the ‘c’ and ‘a’ file, completely useless, since they cannot move, and targets for White. Thus, White stands much better.> Nxa6 <It was still time to come back to d5 although this is the kind of decision very hard to admit.> 24.Rxa6 Qd7 25.Qc3 f6 26.Qc5 <Ideal position for the Queen attacking both pawns.> Rf7 <Maybe 26...Rc7 allowing the possibility Rfc8 should be considered, although Black would be very passive too.> 27.Bc3 Qb7 <Impeding Bg2.> 28.Qc4 Qd7 <After 28...Re7, White brings one of his Bishops to c5 (Bb4-c5), and the other one on the long diagonal (for instance Bd3-e4, controlling b1 and c6). Then Black loses a pawn.> 29.Bg2 Kh8 <Black’s position collapses.> 30.Bxc6 Qb7 31.Kg2 <Avoiding check on his 1st rank. Kramink does not need to hurry. Black is lost anyway.> h6 32.d5 Qb8 <32...exd5 33.Bxb7 Rxc4 34.Bxd5 attacking both Rooks wins easily.> 33.dxe6 Re7 34.Bb4 Rec7 35.e7 1-0 |
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| Oct-01-07 | | Karpova: Aronian vs Nakamura, 2005 This game was drawn after move 16. Interesting to note that Kramnik seems to know more about the variations Aronian plays than Aronian himself. |
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| Oct-01-07 | | fromoort: <tal lover> You have to understand that chess is a game that can be studied at home. Aronian had the same opportunities that Kramnik did to find novelties, etc. Just because Kramnik's home preparation was better in this game doesn't mean that there was no calculation involved, or no chess understanding. Of course, home-prepared novelties produce an advantage on the clock - that's part of their surprise value. |
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| Oct-01-07 | | nimh: I tend to believe that Aronian's first mistake was 13...dxe4. This move is also marked with question mark in Fritz's book. |
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| Oct-01-07 | | Chessmensch: Malcom Pein features this game in his Telegraph chess column on 10/2/07
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/mai... |
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| Oct-02-07 | | arnaud1959: Very disappointing for Aronian. Not only this game but the last 2-3 games. As he is young I don't think he was tired but rather discouraged. |
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| Oct-02-07 | | Resignation Trap: Photo of this game after Black's seventh move: http://www.chessmexico.com/images/r... . |
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| Oct-03-07 | | notyetagm: 32 d4-d5! is a lovely tactical shot by Kramnik.
click for larger viewThe tactical point is that the White d5-pawn is taboo. If Black captures the White
d5-pawn with 32 ... e6xd5?, then after 33 Bc6xQb7! Rc8xQc4 34 Bb7xd5 White <FORKS>
the Black c4- and f7-rooks with his d5-bishop and ends up ahead by a piece. (VAR) Position after 32 ... e6xd5? 33 ♗c6x♕b7! ♖c8x♕c4 34 ♗b7xd5 :
click for larger view32 d4-d5! is a great example of the interplay between <STRATEGY> and <TACTICS>. White (Kramnik) is able to play the advance 32 d4-d5! and create a devastating <PASSED PAWN>
since the White d5-pawn is taboo because of a <BISHOP FORK> tactic. |
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| Oct-05-07 | | darth pawn: The final position is really amazing.
White is about to promote and Black's 3 major pieces can't stop him! LOL! Those bishops are really slicing through Aronian's position. 19. Nc5:Kramnik must have tried to give us a final thrill as world champ! Fritz thinks accepting the sacrifice immediately was a mistake. Here is the computer's line: 19. ...Qa5 20. bxc4 Bxe1 21. Qxe1 Qxe1 22. Rxe1 Nc7 is only  for white. |
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| Oct-05-07 | | dehanne: <19. Nc5:Kramnik must have tried to give us a final thrill as world champ!>
That move has been played before. |
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| Oct-13-07 | | Karpova: <dehanne: <19. Nc5:Kramnik must have tried to give us a final thrill as world champ!> That move has been played before.>
No, that was 17.Nc5. Kramnik's 17.Rb1 was the novelty. |
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Nov-08-10
 | | sorso: Why white didnt play 31.Bxb7???he could win the piece or checkmate.For example 31.Bxb7 Rxc4 32.Rxa7 Rxc3 33.Ra8+ Rc8 34.Rxc8+ Rf8 35.Rxf8# Whats wrong? |
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Nov-08-10
 | | Sastre: <sorso: Why white didnt play 31.Bxb7???he could win the piece or checkmate.For example 31.Bxb7 Rxc4 32.Rxa7 Rxc3 33.Ra8+ Rc8 34.Rxc8+ Rf8 35.Rxf8# Whats wrong?> After 32...g6 33.Ba5 Rxd4 34.Ra8+ Kg7 35.Bf3 Ra4, Black seems to have decent drawing chances. |
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| Mar-09-22 | | tonsillolith: 
click for larger viewBeautiful. A great example of what I enjoy about Kramnik's play. |
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