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Magnus Carlsen vs Teimour Radjabov
Morelia-Linares (2008), Linares ESP, rd 14, Mar-07
Spanish Game: Schliemann Defense (C63)  ·  1/2-1/2

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Mar-07-08  giovanygc: Does anyone know the ELO scores after these results?
Mar-07-08  boz: It was a good ride.
Mar-07-08  boz: <giovanygc> check user <frogbert>. His ratings are always up to the second.
Mar-07-08  percyblakeney: A good game by both players, Radjabov was in trouble but found the saving 30. ... g5 and keeps doing rather well with the Schliemann.
Mar-07-08  weisyschwarz: Thank you <CG.COM> You all are the best!! Congrats GM Anand.
Mar-07-08
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  eternaloptimist: It's too bad Carlsen didn't win this game, but he still had a great tournament. He tied w/ Topalov for the most wins in the tournament w/ 5.
Mar-07-08  Tomlinsky: Excellent job <CG> Thank you.
Mar-07-08
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  fm avari viraf: Thanks to Chessgames.com for the live coverage. We all enjoyed it to the brim!
Mar-07-08  Jack Kerouac: And don't forget to pick up a copy of my novella, PIC.
Mar-07-08
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  marcwordsmith: yes indeed. Thank you, chessgames!
Mar-07-08  Knight13: Good job Carlsen I guess....!
Mar-07-08  dcj1955: Back on page 2 I asked if anyone knew of a site where information could be obtained concerning the earnings these top GM's have annually! Is there such a site? Does anyone have any ideas?
Mar-07-08  minasina: There were live commentaries: http://www.chessdom.com/morelia-lin... with Goran Urosevic

http://chesspro.ru/chessonline/onli... with GM Konstantin Sakaev (RUS) (“Translated”: http://www.google.com/translate?u=h... The board is not functioning at the translated page)

Mar-07-08  Riverbeast: <Back on page 2 I asked if anyone knew of a site where information could be obtained concerning the earnings these top GM's have annually! Is there such a site? Does anyone have any ideas?>

Who knows...the top GMs earn more than just prize money...most of them get appearance fees (which probably differ for each player), some of them may endorse products....plus who knows how much they negotiate for lectures, simuls, etc.

I doubt any of these guys want people knowing how much they make. But the Super GMs are all making pretty good bank

Mar-07-08  Shams: I'd like to think in a blitz game Carlsen would play the fun sac line 4.d4 fxe4 5.Nxe5 Nxe5 6.dxe5 c6 7.Nc3?! cxb5 8.Nxe4 d5 9.dxe6 e.p. with a batsh*t crazy position.

Apart from that, who will be the first to cause Radjabov to give up this defense? I love how he follows his own thoughts about openings. Such an uncompromising player.

Mar-07-08  Riverbeast: <Shams> If you or anybody else knows of a good line against the Schliemann (for a tournament game), please post it...I've also been having trouble against it, against an FM who plays it regularly (name withheld for reasons of privacy and subterfuge)
Mar-07-08  Riverbeast: <Shams> Actually, I just looked up the line you gave on chesslab.com...Looks like white gets some funky play.... I'm going to spring it on my FM next time I play him.

I'll let you know how it goes. You'll get full props if it works

Mar-07-08  euripides: I don't know about <Swedish schoolboys>, but some world champions find this kind of endgame tricky:

Piket vs Kasparov, 2000

Mar-07-08  acirce: <euripides> Yes, 3 vs 4 is not typically as easy as here, but the pawns were almost ideally placed for Black from the beginning. The fact that Carlsen always has his pawn on a4 makes a big difference from the Piket game - he has no king march into Black's position. Even so, Kasparov should have held, but without this, there's hardly anything White can even try.
Mar-08-08  wittmann: Oh Magnus, Magnus. You could have won. Instead of 9. Nc3 you should have played 9. b4! as after 9... Be6 (seems forced) 10. Bxc6+ bxc6 11. Qa6 Bb6 12. a4! Black is loosing material without compensation.
Mar-08-08
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  Eyal: <Oh Magnus, Magnus. You could have won. Instead of 9. Nc3 you should have played 9. b4! as after 9... Be6 (seems forced) 10. Bxc6+ bxc6 11. Qa6 Bb6 12. a4! Black is loosing material without compensation.>

No he doesn't - 12...Nxe4 13.a5 Bxf2+ 14.Rxf2 Nxf2 15.Qxc6+ Kf7 16.Kxf2 Rhf8; though it might not be bad for White - this position requires analysis, of course. Anyway, I'm quite sure Radjabov was well-prepared for it if he entered this line (9.b4 has actually been played already in a few games, though not in top-level tournaments).

Mar-08-08
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  Eyal: Some delicate matters of timing related to pawn pushes in this game. Perhaps Carlsen missed a chance to play a5 on moves 23-24, in order to prepare a later pawn break with the 'b' and 'c' pawns. After 24...Qh4, 25.a5 would be bad because of 25...Qb4; and after 25.c4 as played in the game, 25...a5(!) by Radjabov becomes stronger than before, because White can't counter that by c3-b4. Then, 27...b6 - preventing c5 - pretty much blocks the queenside completely, and the play on the kingside turns out not to be enough for White. With the equalizing 30...g5! Radjabov seems to find exactly the right moment of switching from passive to active defense.
Mar-08-08
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  whiteshark: <wittmann: <Magnus ...you should have played 9. b4! as after 9... Be6 (seems forced) 10. Bxc6+ bxc6 11. Qa6 Bb6 12. a4! Black is loosing material without compensation.>>

Extending your line with <12...Nxe4 13.a5 Bxf2+ 14.Rxf2 Nxf2 15.Qxc6+ Kf7 16.Kxf2>


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you have an imbalanced ♘♘ vs ♖♙ position where each side is having some (dis-)advantages.

- Are black's center pawns in connection with the open f-file be stronger than white's minor pieces and his positional surplus on the queenside (weak ♙a7) ? - Which side is better after a ♕exchange ?
etc...

I think you can't draw clear conclusions, even after some hours of analysis. (e.g. 16...Rhf8 17.Be3 Kg8 18.Kg1 Rab8 (or Qf7/Qd7) 19. <?>)

And if I recall it correctly they played the opening rather quickly. So it must be a practical decision to play 9.Nc3 instead of analysing a position 9 move in advance.

Jun-19-08  ravel5184: <<THE pawn> Why didn't Carlsen take the queen, I don't understand Rh5?> The pawn is pinned.
Jan-16-09  Silverstrike: Good example of obtaining a draw a pawn down by way of an active rook.
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