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Magnus Carlsen vs Alexey Shirov
Aerosvit (2008), Foros UKR, rd 5, Jun-12
Semi-Slav Defense: General (D43)  ·  1-0

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Jun-12-08  whiteshark: Poor Shirov, lost a drawish endgame in timetrouble.

Carlsen however showed the right spirit or will to fight on even if the position looked like a draw. Finally it worked for him.

[Fischer only won 6:0 twice because he played on!]

Jun-12-08  kingsindian2006: great fight in magnus. He puts opponents in time trouble and pressure situations to make blunders.. How people forget and like to say , the other guy blundered so thats why he won...when will people learn?
Jun-12-08  notyetagm: <kingsindian2006: great fight in magnus. He puts opponents in time trouble and pressure situations to make blunders.. How people forget and like to say , the other guy blundered so thats why he won...when will people learn?>

Exactly.

His opponents blunder because Magnus plays strong moves quickly. Then in order not to lose on the spot, his opponents eat up their time.

Thus Magnus' opponents find themselves in time trouble and commit hari kari. See Shirov's 79 ... ♔f5-e5?? and 61 ... ♗e5-g7?? in his two losses this year to Magnus at Linares and Foros, respectively.

Jun-12-08  Riverbeast: <Forget about the World Championship. We know who the world's strongest player is. And I'll give you a hint: his initials are MC.>

As of this moment, the world's strongest player seems to have the initials V.A.

Jun-12-08  arnaud1959: Another endgame won by Carlsen. Already at his young age he's becoming an endgame expert. The fact that he exchanges the queens and goes into an endgame with opposite coloured bishops shows that he trusts his endgame skills.
Jun-12-08  dycotiles: As of this moment the strongest player in the world seems to be MC. Why? Simple, elo raings have a lot of `inertia'. Carlsen elo has not flattened yet. His elo is averaged out with past performances. His performance this year is way over that of any other player, and there is no question about that. Win, after win, after win, after win ...

I'll say it again:

Welcome to CARLSEN ERA.

Jun-12-08  Xaurus: I'm Norwegian and I find all this a bit unreal :D
Jun-12-08  micartouse: <keypusher: Nothing is ever sure in this world. Let's just enjoy what we're seeing now...like Carlsen's dad said on the blog, there is no need to crush Magnus under the weight of ever-increasing expectations.>

Agree. There are many very strong players on the circuit, sometimes they have big winning streaks. Age doesn't matter much since recent decades show players peaking in their 30's.

Let's just enjoy his chess which is without a doubt delightful and not going away any time soon.

Jun-12-08  amadeus: According to the Live Top List, Magnus is just 6 points behind Anand -- http://chess.liverating.org/
Jun-12-08
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  Honza Cervenka: Ouch! That hurts. But congratulations to Magnus for this win which is the fruit of his great fighting spirit.
Jun-12-08  DiscerningKing: Kid is hyped up... but he's GOOD
Jun-12-08  Viking55803: What I see is that Magnus Carlsen has really learned how to win. He does not give any hope to any opponent who is hoping for an easy draw!
Jun-12-08  minasina: There were live commentaries: http://www.chessdom.com/foros-aeros... with GM Vladimir Dimitrov

http://online.crestbook.com/foros08... with GM Sergei Shipov in Russian; "translated": (without board): http://translate.google.com/transla... may need reloading

http://chesspro.ru/chessonline/onli... with GM Konstantin Sakaev in Russian; "translated" (without functioning board): http://google.com/translate?u=http%... may need reloading <63.Bg6 Kg5 Without waiting mother in the course of two Shirov surrendered.>

Jun-12-08  Kaspablanca: Magnus Carlsen beat Alexey Shirov 5 to 1, with 4 draws.*

Impressive!, at least Carlsen is not the next Shirov nightmare(Kasparov) as he was able to beat Maguns once.

Jun-12-08  Gegga: <vonKrolock: ops... mated - Bg7 possibly was a blunder> Well, duh?! Yes, possibly.....
Jun-12-08  vonKrolock: And before I said commenting in real time: <<no mating nets here so far the white King is not allowed to install himself in 'g3'>> Some argument!? Well, Carlsen's persistence and self-confidence reminds to those of young Fischer
Jun-12-08  giocle: youngest future world champion
Jun-12-08  PinkPanther: Carlsen has played very well, but honestly, how many drawn endgames are his opponents going to botch?
Jun-12-08  square dance: i dont know. its kind of like fischer fear, isnt it?
Jun-12-08  Jonber: Fire and Ice

Some say the game will end in fire,
Some say in ice.
From what they’ve seen of fire
Some would favor Shirov’s ire.
But the time control comes twice,
And I think I know enough of fate
To say that for destruction ice
Is also great
And would suffice.

(With my deepest apologies to Robert)

Jun-12-08  shintaro go: How long will it take before Magnus hits 2800? Any guesses?
Jun-12-08  nolanryan: oh no, they're quoting bob frost
Jun-12-08  Shams: <oh no, they're quoting bob frost> worse, they're riffing on him.

Two paths diverged in a wood-
Shirov played 61...Bg7
and that made all the difference.

Jun-12-08  Jesspatrick: <notyetagm>
Yes, yes, yes. I have noticed this about Carlsen's play as well. He is unequalled at drawing opponents into time trouble and then pressuring them with "clock burners".

These are moves that aren't always best, but they are strong, often with huge doses of poison.

You would never notice this aspect of his play from the game score, but it is definitely there and it's clear to me if I'm watching his games live.

Jun-12-08  Pjalle: Shintaro, Magnus has 6 games left in this tourney, if he wins 3 of them he breaks 2800, we will see.
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