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| Jan-20-09 | | percyblakeney: <SwitchingQuylthulg> Yep. |
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 | | SwitchingQuylthulg: Congrats, <percyblakeney>. I had 3K there too, just to not give whoever it was too much rope :-) |
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| Jan-20-09 | | percyblakeney: <SwitchingQuylthulg> Thanks, since I lost a bit on Radjabov beating Ivanchuk it wasn't more than right that he paid back some with a draw today :-) |
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| | SwitchingQuylthulg: <percyblakeney: I lost a bit on Radjabov beating Ivanchuk> Considering the amounts you appear to be betting, how much is a bit? ;-) |
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| Jan-20-09 | | percyblakeney: <how much is a bit? ;-)> Very little actually, below 1000 since I didn't really believe in it. No really promising games in the next round either as it seems so probably only small bets there. |
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| Jan-20-09 | | SetNoEscapeOn: So I guess that possibility of one of us who hadn't been in the top 10 actually winning is now- an impossibility. |
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| Jan-20-09 | | percyblakeney: <So I guess that possibility of one of us who hadn't been in the top 10 actually winning is now- an impossibility> Nothing is impossible, I think I will be on 0 before Corus is over since I will make a couple of big bets. One can gain much with one good bet. Almost 6 times the money on Karjakin beating Moro, 2 000 there and it's over 10 000 at once. |
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| Jan-20-09 | | Ulhumbrus: On the chessbase website, Instead of 47 h4 ?! Shipov gives as winning 47 Nhg3 ( bringing the N back again) 47...h4 48 Ne2 Ne4! 49 Rd3!! ( not 49 Rxd4? Re1!) and White wins. |
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| Jan-20-09 | | rogge: Please forgive a patzer like me, but what's the winning line? |
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| Jan-20-09 | | Eyal: <Shipov gives as winning 47 Nhg3 ( bringing the N back again) 47...h4 48 Ne2 Ne4! 49 Rd3!! ( not 49 Rxd4? Re1!) and White wins.> White picks up the d-pawn this way, but I'm not sure it's winning: 47. Nhg3 h4 48.Ne2 Ne4 49.Rd3 Kg7 50.Nxd4 Ng3 51.Rf3 Rb1 (to prevent Nb3-d2): 
click for larger viewAnd White is almost completely paralyzed - the pawns are blocked, one knight is pinned, the king cannot move, and the rook can only move along the f file. If 52.Nc2 (aiming for e3) then 52...f4! (52.Rxf4?? Ne2+). The only productive plan seems to be 52.Rxg3 hxg3 53.Ne2 Kf6 53.Nexg3 Ke5, with 2N+2p vs. R+2p; can White win this? |
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| Jan-20-09 | | AuN1: one of the better games of the tournament which did not prove to be decisive. |
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| Jan-21-09 | | arsen387: from the header of chessbase report <In the fourth round of Wijk aan Zee 2009 all seven games of the A-Group were drawn, five of them quietly. But the encounter Carlsen vs Aronian, with a miracle escape by the Armenian GM, fired everyone's imagination.> the Shipov analysis on English also can be found here http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp... you got to have guts to play such sac against Carlsen. |
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| Jan-21-09 | | percyblakeney: <White picks up the d-pawn this way, but I'm not sure it's winning> Yes, I'm a bit surprised that Shipov sounded as if it was such a trivial win for white after 47. Ng3 without giving any more detailed lines. Maybe he was right, but claiming that Aronian had no chance whatsoever to draw the endgame seemed exaggerated. |
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| Jan-21-09 | | puzzlion: Could one say that Aronians sac was very carlsenesque, and Carlsens playing rather aronian? |
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| Jan-21-09 | | Eyal: It seems quite clear that Aronian's novelty of 13...Bb4 (previously, Bb8 and c5 were tried in this position) is not so good, and after Carlsen's 14.a3! White gains an advantage. But there's disagreement about how effectively Carlsen capitalized on his advantage in the next moves, specifically with regard to 20.b4: <20.b4! A very nice break, in Carlsen's style. He is famous for his elegant positional pawn sacrifices, which he manages to bring off even against the very strongest opponents. Taking on b4 is catastrophic for the black pawn structure, which in one move is transformed from a solid monolith into a mass of fragments. Incidentally, White could also increase the pressure by 20.Bb5 Re7 21.Qb2 and the b3-b4 break can come later.> (Shipov) <[Aronian] regained some of his spirits when white played the rather impatient 20.b4?! (20.Bb5!? would have maintained a grip on the position)> (From the official tournament site) |
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| Jan-21-09 | | shintaro go: Wow kudos to Aronian, I thought he'd lose for sure in this one. |
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| Jan-21-09 | | Ulhumbrus: <rogge: Please forgive a patzer like me, but what's the winning line?> No pardon required, ask any question that you want to ask. On 47 Nhg3 h4 48 Ne2 Ne4 49 Rd3 White's plan is to play Nxd4 followed by Rf3, Rf2 and Nd4-f3 attacking the h pawn. Then if Black exchanges the Ns and plays the Rook to the fourth rank to cover the h pawn, White plays his R to d4 to exchange Rooks. |
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| Jan-21-09 | | Eyal: <On 47 Nhg3 h4 48 Ne2 Ne4 49 Rd3 White's plan is to play Nxd4 followed by Rf3, Rf2 and Nd4-f3 attacking the h pawn.> However, 49....Kg7 50.Nxd4 Ng3 51.Rf3 Rb1 52.Rf2 Ne4 seems to spoil this plan. As I mentioned in a previous post, the only productive plan for White that I can see in such a case is to give back the exchange on g3, and I doubt if the resulting 2N+2p vs. R+2p is winnable. |
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| Jan-21-09 | | Ulhumbrus: After 47 Nhg3 h4 48 Ne2 Ne4 49 Rd3 Kg7 51 Nxd4 Ng3 51 Rf3 Rb1 one plan is to time the move Nb3 with the black R on a1 and then to play Nb3-d2 so as to free White's Rook from the f file eg 52 Rf2 Ne4 53 Rf4 Ng3 54 Rf3 Ra1 and now 55 Nb3 Rb1 56 Nb3-d2 and the White Rook may leave the f file |
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| Jan-21-09 | | Eyal: <After 47 Nhg3 h4 48 Ne2 Ne4 49 Rd3 Kg7 51 Nxd4 Ng3 51 Rf3 Rb1 one plan is to time the move Nb3 with the black R on a1 and then to play Nb3-d2 so as to free White's Rook from the f file eg 52 Rf2 Ne4 53 Rf4 Ng3 54 Rf3 Ra1 and now 55 Nb3 etc.> Yeah, but Black doesn't have to move the rook from b1. Instead, he can play in this line 54.[Rf3] Kf6, and I still don't see how White disentangles his pieces without giving back the exchange; if White tries 55.Nc2 then 55...g5 56.Nce3 Kg6 57.Rf2 (with the idea Rd2-d1) Re1! (to answer Rd2 with f4), and if the knight leaves e3 Black would be able to play g4 and exchange pawns. |
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| Jan-22-09 | | rogge: Well, my Rybka still can't find anything after <Eyal>'s last line (it prefers 57..Rc1). That doesn't necessarily mean anything, of course. I don't know, maybe Shipov was too bombastic... |
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| Jan-22-09 | | percyblakeney: <I don't know, maybe Shipov was too bombastic...> That 47. Ng3 is a guaranteed win and that it is a tragedy that Carlsen missed it at least sounds a bit strong. I played around with Shredder during the game and it is good at endgames, but neither then nor now could I find a win for white in <Eyal>'s line. |
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| Jan-22-09 | | anjyplayer: amazing game at the highest level after tal. |
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| Jan-22-09 | | Eyal: <In retrospect Magnus is starting to doubt that there ever was a win in the ending.> (From Henrik Carlsen's blog) Btw, he also mentions that when Carlsen played 28.Rd3 (28.Bd3 has been suggested as a better alternative, e.g. 28...Qg3 29.Nce2 Qg5 30.Qb2 Rxh3 31.Qd2), he missed Black's eventual 31...Qxb4, capturing a third pawn for the sacked knight. |
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| Jan-22-09 | | Eyal: https://webcast.chessclub.com/blog/... |
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