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Gata Kamsky vs Alexey Shirov
Bazna Tournament (2009), Bazna ROM, rd 1, Jun-14
English Opening: Agincourt Defense. Neo Catalan Declined (A14)  ·  0-1

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Jun-15-09  pulsar: <GMNick> Indeed, Shirov's recent result makes it hard to evaluate his state of competitiveness.

I root for the man, for whatever he has endured in the past.

Go Shirov!

Jun-15-09
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  HeMateMe: Fire on Board! He has played in the German chess league for years. What do they pay the GMs for that, especially a bigger name guy like him?

I often wonder if the reason he plays such free wheeling chess, which gets lots of wins and losses, is because he has the rep of being the attacker guy, like Tal was, and he is trying to give the chess fans what theywant, even if it is not always in his best interets, in some of the tournaments.

Jun-15-09  furrer: 810609 Thats the other variation, I wanted to show the most simple.
Jun-15-09
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  JonathanJ: no offense, but usually chessplayers try to play the best moves, not the simplest ;)
Jun-15-09  champsylove: I think you are right. As arguabley Tal's finest students, it would not be unreasonable to assume that he plays in much of the spirit of Tal's legacy. I do not begrudge him this, I would rather play through Shirov's games than Drawnicks. Felt for him though in Russian tournament, he got pummelled.
Jun-16-09  furrer: You think mine was more simple?... Not even a thank you for answerting your question? Seriously whats your problem?
Jun-16-09  hedgeh0g: Why didn't Kamsky take the d-pawn on move 26?
Jun-16-09  Andrew Chapman: <Why didn't Kamsky take the d-pawn on move 26?>26.Nxd4 NxN 27.NxN Rd8 might be the problem?
Jun-16-09  hedgeh0g: But then why not 28. Nxf5?
Jun-17-09  chillowack: <furrer: You think mine was more simple?... Not even a thank you for answerting your question? Seriously whats your problem?> Your analysis was faulty: Black had a better line.

Don't feel bad though, we all make analytical errors.

Jun-17-09  hedgeh0g: I sense a troll among us...
Jun-18-09  chillowack: <hedgeh0g: I sense a troll among us...>

Are you referring to me, or furrer?

If me, then I don't understand your comment. I answered furrer's question straightforwardly, then reassured him with a sincere and encouraging word at the end. That's not trollish at all.

If, on the other hand, you are referring to furrer, I don't think he meant to be trollish, either; but of course I can't vouch for another person's intent.

Jun-18-09  furrer: chillowack why is it that you have to interfere in a discussen that you are not a part of? I didnt ask you a question, so why answer in anothers place? And I made no analytical errors. I analyzed the obvious variation (exchange everything and win with the material). of course I saw the other variation, but I didnt take it serious, because its quite obvious that black will have to give his bishop back, resulting in a better variaiton for white then in the game.
Jun-18-09  hedgeh0g: Hehe...furrer, I think you should make this your official forum :p
Jun-18-09  chillowack: <furrer: chillowack why is it that you have to interfere in a discussen that you are not a part of?> This is a community of players, many of whom comment on one another's posts. <I didnt ask you a question, so why answer in anothers place?> Everyone here is free to respond to anyone's comments, provided they do so in a respectful manner. There's no restriction (that I know of) about who can reply to whom. <And I made no analytical errors.> Then I suppose congratulations are in order! Well done, sir.
Jun-19-09  furrer: <hedgeh0g> I dont understand!?

Chillowack:

<provided they do so in a repsectfull manner>

<Then i suppose congratulation are in order! Well done, sir.>

Sarcasm:
<A sharp, bitter, or cutting expression or remark; a bitter gibe or taunt. http://www.oed.com/>;

Jun-19-09
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  JonathanJ: oh well, then, <furrer>, thank you for your line, even if it was kind of, uhm, useless.
Jun-19-09  furrer: <JonathanJ> I have a suggestion for you, but a chess computer and a pc for 5000$
Jun-19-09
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  Mateo: The Rook ending is a tough one. Hard to see where Kamsky went wrong.
Jun-19-09  LaFreak III: Facing Shirov is his mistake
Jun-19-09  chillowack: Thank you for a most illuminating conversation, furrer! I sincerely wish you the best.
Jun-19-09  hedgeh0g: <furrer> I was referring to the fact that the discussion on this page seems to be centred around you for some reason. :P
Jun-21-09
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  Chessmensch: We don't often see so much rancor posted in one Kibitz. What's with you guys? Anyway, this game is featured in McClain's NY Times chess column on June 21.
Jun-23-09  furrer: Ahh ok Hedgehog - isnt the first time ;) :(
May-02-14  onam: Controversial move, Benoni reverse with two temptis behind, one because is opening reverse and other because e6 pawn
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