| Jul-17-10 | | notyetagm: Kramnik seems to be in *really* poor form this tournament. 40 ... ?
click for larger view40 ... ♗e2-d3? (Kasparov)
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<40...Bd3?
<<<"What?">>> exclaimed Garry Kasparov on some vacation beach, <<<"why not 40...Rg4 with great winning chances?">>> 
click for larger viewHe suggested other possible lines, but preferred this one "because I am old-fashioned" (meaning he would like to protect his king). 41.Qxf3 Bxf3 42.Re3 Bb7
click for larger view"and how is White going to save this?".>
Lucky for Kramnik he is playing someone with zero killer instinct (Leko). |
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| Jul-17-10 | | notyetagm: Kramnik vs Leko, 2010 40 ... ?
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40 ... ♖e4-g4  ,  (Kasparov)
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<He suggested other possible lines, but preferred this one "because I am old-fashioned" <<<(meaning he would like to protect his king)>>>. > |
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| Jul-17-10 | | notyetagm: 1: V Kramnik - P Leko, Dortmund Dortmund GER 2010
click for larger viewAnalysis by Houdini 1.03a w32 2_CPU:
<1. (-0.88): 40...Qg4> 41.Qf7+ Qg7 42.Qd5 Qe7 43.Rc1 Re5 44.Qc6 Qd8 45.Kg2 Qd5+ 46.Qxd5 Rxd5 47.Rc2 Bd3 48.Rb2 Kg6 49.Kf3 Bf5 50.Re2 Rd3+ 51.Kf4 Bd7 52.Ke4 Rd6 53.Ke3 <2. (-0.82): 40...Rg4> 41.Qxf3 Bxf3 42.Re3 Bb7 43.Rc3 Rg7 44.Kf1 h5 45.b4 Kg6 46.f3 f5 47.Kf2 Rd7 48.Ke3 f4+ 49.Kxf4 Rf7+ 50.Ke5 Bxf3 51.Rd3 Rf5+ 52.Ke6 Bc6 53.Rd6 Rf6+ <3. (-0.77): 40...Kg7> 41.Qb7+ Kg8 42.Qd7 Qd3 43.Qxd3 Bxd3 44.Rd1 Be2 45.Rd8+ Kf7 46.Kg2 Bb5 47.Rd6 Ke7 48.Rb6 Re6 49.Rxe6+ Kxe6 50.Kf3 Ke5 51.Ke3 Bd7 52.f3 h5 53.b4 |
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| Jul-17-10 | | AuN1: three posts to say the same thing? that is not necessary. leko's lack of time had more to do with his mistake than any killer instinct deficit. |
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| Jul-17-10 | | notyetagm: <AuN1: ... leko's lack of time had more to do with his mistake than any killer instinct deficit.> If you don't know that Leko lacks killer instinct then you haven't been following top-level chess for a while. No top GM fails to win more winning positions than Leko. See the 2nd round game Leko vs Mamedyarov, 2010 (http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail...: "35.Rc7? Unfortunately he missed 35.Rf1! which would have sealed Black's fate after 35...Kf7 36.Rc7+ Ke6 37.Re7+ Kd5 38.Rxb7+–") for just one of many examples. |
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| Jul-17-10 | | frogbert: isn't it lovely to be on some "vacation beach" and be allowed to give all the winning lines (no matter where they originate) and self never be challenged to find a single, accurate move under pressure otb? retirement must be bliss ;o) |
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| Jul-17-10 | | yalie: This game will always be remembered as the game where Kramnik *almost* lost a Catalan as white. [with apologies to Johnny Depp] |
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| Jul-17-10 | | frogbert: yalie, kramnik did lose a catalan as white, in corus 2008 ... |
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| Jul-18-10 | | notyetagm: <frogbert: isn't it lovely to be on some "vacation beach" and be allowed to give all the winning lines (no matter where they originate) and self never be challenged to find a single, accurate move under pressure otb? retirement must be bliss ;o)> I miss winning lines in my games all the time, but I am rated USCF 1922 not FIDE 2734. And neither the winning ideas in this game or the Mamedyarov game were all that hard to find, Leko just didn't find them. |
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| Jul-18-10 | | percyblakeney: Monokroussos on Leko's 40th:
<Probably a bit of a chicken-out in time trouble, but a pity for Leko who had outplayed Kramnik and was nearing victory. [40...Rg4 41.Qd6 Rg7 leaves White with a lost game, albeit one where he may be able to present some practical problems> http://www.thechessmind.net/storage... |
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| Jul-18-10 | | yalie: When Leko plays Anand or Kramnik, throughtout the game, he is thinking Draw (esp. with black). It is hard to get out of that mindset. Just saying. |
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| Jul-18-10 | | yalie: <frogbert: yalie, kramnik did lose a catalan as white, in corus 2008 ...> wasnt that an English opening ... |
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| Jul-18-10 | | AuN1: < notyetagm: <AuN1: ... leko's lack of time had more to do with his mistake than any killer instinct deficit.> If you don't know that Leko lacks killer instinct then you haven't been following top-level chess for a while.> are you aware of how much time he had on his clock at that point? from all accounts he was facing severe time pressure. any of the winning moves he could have made at that point weren't tactical knockout blows, so your "no killer instinct" theory is flawed. it has no relevance in yesterday's result. |
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| Jul-19-10 | | frogbert: <wasnt that an English opening ...> yeah, that's true. however, the difference in white's setup doesn't appear very big, and kramnik essentially plays the same first 7-8 moves - the notable difference being at which time nc3 is played and its possible impact for whether black plays d5 or c5. does 3. nc3 have a big influence for black's choice of c5 or d5? i.e. who "chooses" black's response here? kramnik typically plays nf3, c4, g3, bg2, 0-0, d4, e3, nc3 in most of his catalan setups. in the "symmetrical english" game against carlsen in 2008 he played nf3, c4, nc3, g3, bg2, 0-0, d4 - and since carlsen had played c5 and not d5, d4 was with cxd4. i'm unsure to which extent this development of the game is decided by white or black. at any rate, the two white setups are quite similar, but black's c5 instead of d5 changes the course of the game. in both setups black starts with nf6 and e6 and develops the light-squared bishop to b7 and the other to e7 and castles kingside. but the rest of black's position is very different, of course - after c5, cxd4, d6, b6 and a6 in the english game we get a hedgehog position - and the games run quite differently. "white" position after white's first 8 moves, "catalan": 
click for larger view"white" position after white's first 7 moves, "english": 
click for larger viewchess is filled with small nuances that i don't understand (well enough) ;o) |
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Kibitzing
