| Jan-22-12 | | Marmot PFL: Could have been the GOTD if black had found 34...Qc7+ 35 Kf2 Qh2. The threat of Re4-Rf4+ at least wins queen for rook. |
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| Jan-22-12 | | Interbond: I wonder if Kamsky knew that he had a winning advantage or that he simply blundered? |
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| Jan-22-12 | | goodevans: Kamsky is being much critised for missing the win here. After <34 ... Qc7+ 35 Kf2 Qh2> white is completely powerless to stop <36 ... Re4> and <37 ... Rf4+>. Qh2 isn't an easy move to see so is the criticism justified? Maybe it is at this level. Even after <34 ... Re4?> black still had the edge but that disappeared a few moves later when he missed <40 ... Qh6>, after which there is no good way to save the h-pawn and the white K is looking precarious again. Is Qh6 also difficult to spot? You would think it shouldn't be for a 2700+ player. |
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| Jan-22-12 | | drnooo: long checks with the queen, according to Euwe, are one of the hardest things for anybody at any level to spot. The nature of the beast. It just is not the way you get used to looking at things on a chessboard.
Here was about as clearcut an example of that as imaginable.
As for his other mistake, later letting the win slip again, probably he is more at fault, but here, for me anyway, give him a raincheck or braincheck or whatever you want to call it. |
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| Jan-22-12 | | galdur: <Marmot PFL: Could have been the GOTD if black had found 34...Qc7+ 35 Kf2 Qh2. The threat of Re4-Rf4+ at least wins queen for rook.>
click for larger viewSomething a medium club player should spot pretty much instantly. It´s a very strange oversight for a super GM. |
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Jan-22-12
 | | tamar: Kamsky's wry assessment after the game.
<Well to be honest, at the beginning I thought I had some idea what I was doing, but as the game progresses I was completely getting out of my mind, and at the end I realized I see absolutely nothing. So just making solid moves, and a draw.> http://www.facebook.com/tatasteelch... Gelfand
<Of course it is nice to get half a point for free, but not...okay, have to do something, it's not a good way to play chess.> |
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| Jan-22-12 | | ka1ser: Actually, 33...Re3+ with the same idea of Qh2 would have won as well... why wait one more move? =] |
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| Jan-22-12 | | Interbond: So perhaps I was right; Kamsky didn't know for sure he had a winning advantage? |
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| Jan-22-12 | | gazzawhite: What does black play against 34...Qc7+ 35.Kf3 ? |
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| Jan-22-12 | | galdur: <gazzawhite>
35...Qc3+ or Re3+ both win quickly. |
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Jan-22-12
 | | Penguincw: Hmm. A lot of games where players capture a piece and then draw, knowing that the next move is obvious. |
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| Jan-22-12 | | Gilmoy: Huh, and I thought both of them already saw Q(x)h2 as the point of <24..Nxf2 25.Kxf2 e4> and White would rather just return the piece than tolerate 25..Qxh2 26..e3+. Gelfand even plays <25.h3> to save the pawn!! *boomp-chh* Maybe that was Kamsky's bug: "Ah well, it escaped, no point moving there now, prune that branch <snip>" |
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| Jan-22-12 | | notyetagm: <Marmot PFL: Could have been the GOTD if black had found 34...Qc7+ 35 Kf2 Qh2. The threat of Re4-Rf4+ at least wins queen for rook.> Yes.
http://www.tatasteelchess.com/tourn... <Entirely ‘incorrect’ was the outcome of the encounter between Israel’s Boris Gelfand and U.S. champion Gata Kamsky, a Gruenfeld Defense which black handled perfectly until he produced the dismal (see diagram) 34…Re4, <<<where 34…Qc7+ would have led to a straightforward win: 35.Kf2 Qh2, with the idea Re4-f4.>>>> |
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| Jan-22-12 | | notyetagm: Game Collection: LINEAR MATES Gelfand vs Kamsky, 2012 a straightforward win: 35.Kf2 Qh2, with the idea Re4-f4 |
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| Jan-23-12 | | gazzawhite: <galdur> Thanks! |
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| Feb-03-12 | | notyetagm: Game Collection: KNOW THE ENEMY KING'S FLIGHT SQUARES AT ALL TIME |
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